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Re: The way Duchairn’s salvaging the Church...
Post by PeterZ   » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:12 pm

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Siddermarkians will prefer Charisian marks to diluted Temple marks of any stripe. Having a note the Emporer of Charis will redeem for more gold than he sold it for sounds too good to be true, but Siddermarkians will trust his word as they wouldn't trust the Temple. Temple loyalists will NOT trust Charisian paper. Duchairn will gladly support food and logistical support for moving the MH as it eases his inflationary pressures in Zion.

I think that no one will care whether it is a Charisian mark or a Temple one as long as it is an honest whatever amount of gold in the coin. Charis could even produce and sell a test kit consisting of a standard weight for use on a balance scale and a measuring flask to testing displacement (Eureka!) to ensure that the coins have not been clipped or adulterated.


My point is that they don't have to. Honest Temple marks won't circulate. They will be hoarded while the notes and underweight marks will circulate. Notes will circulate most rapidly while underweight marks will do so more slowly. Honest marks will be used to save wealth while the newer currencies will be used to exchange wealth. That will tend to reduce the amount of currency in circulation.

Offering fraud kits will only highlight what everyone will know is true. Not a bad idea for keeping the CoGA openly honest. Also not a bad idea for insinuating honest questioning of anything the CoGA asserts as true.
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Re: The way Duchairn’s salvaging the Church...
Post by n7axw   » Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:06 pm

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The problem is that the MH is disruptive no matter what you do with it. It is not really in Charis interest to absorb that many TLS, especially all at once.

They can't really stay where they are at. Sent to South Harchong, it's time to lock up their daughters unless you send them off to pick on Desnair's daughters (ever read the story of the Sabine women??).

My thought would be send the South Harchong vets home in accordance with South Harchong's wishes. Take the northerners and send them back home as a fully armed and reorganized force under Rainbow Waters to explain to the bureaucrats and aristocrats as plainly as possible that a new day is occurring in NH. That way you not only get a new fiddler calling the tune which needs to be done anyway, the soldiers get their families back. If there is going to be disruption, let it be in North Harchong since it is their attitude creating the problem...

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Re: The way Duchairn’s salvaging the Church...
Post by PeterZ   » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:11 am

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n7axw wrote:The problem is that the MH is disruptive no matter what you do with it. It is not really in Charis interest to absorb that many TLS, especially all at once.

They can't really stay where they are at. Sent to South Harchong, it's time to lock up their daughters unless you send them off to pick on Desnair's daughters (ever read the story of the Sabine women??).

My thought would be send the South Harchong vets home in accordance with South Harchong's wishes. Take the northerners and send them back home as a fully armed and reorganized force under Rainbow Waters to explain to the bureaucrats and aristocrats as plainly as possible that a new day is occurring in NH. That way you not only get a new fiddler calling the tune which needs to be done anyway, the soldiers get their families back. If there is going to be disruption, let it be in North Harchong since it is their attitude creating the problem...

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And then we have Harchong's nobility, clergy and bureaucrats all signing up to leave the CoGA. The way Duchairn has set up the new Church, the remaining vicars have a big role to play in appointing replacement vicars. Harchong has a big advantage given it's population and favor in the previous administration. If Duchairn forces what Harchong would consider an invading army to force unwanted changes, how different is Duchairn from Clinton? The CoGA is still demanding changes the Writ doesn't specifically demand. They are asserting their moral authority into purely secular and local policy.

Duchairn can't go that far so soon.
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Re: The way Duchairn’s salvaging the Church...
Post by n7axw   » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:33 pm

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PeterZ wrote:
n7axw wrote:The problem is that the MH is disruptive no matter what you do with it. It is not really in Charis interest to absorb that many TLS, especially all at once.

They can't really stay where they are at. Sent to South Harchong, it's time to lock up their daughters unless you send them off to pick on Desnair's daughters (ever read the story of the Sabine women??).

My thought would be send the South Harchong vets home in accordance with South Harchong's wishes. Take the northerners and send them back home as a fully armed and reorganized force under Rainbow Waters to explain to the bureaucrats and aristocrats as plainly as possible that a new day is occurring in NH. That way you not only get a new fiddler calling the tune which needs to be done anyway, the soldiers get their families back. If there is going to be disruption, let it be in North Harchong since it is their attitude creating the problem...

Don

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And then we have Harchong's nobility, clergy and bureaucrats all signing up to leave the CoGA. The way Duchairn has set up the new Church, the remaining vicars have a big role to play in appointing replacement vicars. Harchong has a big advantage given it's population and favor in the previous administration. If Duchairn forces what Harchong would consider an invading army to force unwanted changes, how different is Duchairn from Clinton? The CoGA is still demanding changes the Writ doesn't specifically demand. They are asserting their moral authority into purely secular and local policy.

Duchairn can't go that far so soon.


Duchairn doesn't have to lift a finger. Just tell the MH the jihad is over and it's time to go home. Let Rainbow Waters and the MH handle it from there as an internal Harchongese problem. Bet those bureaucrats and aristos would be crapping their drawers... :lol:

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Re: The way Duchairn’s salvaging the Church...
Post by PeterZ   » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:49 pm

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n7axw wrote:
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And then we have Harchong's nobility, clergy and bureaucrats all signing up to leave the CoGA. The way Duchairn has set up the new Church, the remaining vicars have a big role to play in appointing replacement vicars. Harchong has a big advantage given it's population and favor in the previous administration. If Duchairn forces what Harchong would consider an invading army to force unwanted changes, how different is Duchairn from Clinton? The CoGA is still demanding changes the Writ doesn't specifically demand. They are asserting their moral authority into purely secular and local policy.

Duchairn can't go that far so soon.


Duchairn doesn't have to lift a finger. Just tell the MH the jihad is over and it's time to go home. Let Rainbow Waters and the MH handle it from there as an internal Harchongese problem. Bet those bureaucrats and aristos would be crapping their drawers... :lol:

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And how do they actually get home? No ride? E.T. no go home.
Does the CoGA actively assist the MH in overturning the Empire of Harchong?
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Re: The way Duchairn’s salvaging the Church...
Post by n7axw   » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:48 pm

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Northern Harchong is already a disaster. Any way that gets changed would have to be an improvement.

As for how they get home...walk, ride horses or barges. Maybe Charis could help with supplies or share the expense with the Temple.

Duchairn owes the mighty host at least that much. After all, the jihad wasn't the MH's idea. As for what happens when the MH gets home it will be no more than what the aristocrats and bureaucrats deserve.

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Re: The way Duchairn’s salvaging the Church...
Post by PeterZ   » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:18 pm

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n7axw wrote:Northern Harchong is already a disaster. Any way that gets changed would have to be an improvement.

As for how they get home...walk, ride horses or barges. Maybe Charis could help with supplies or share the expense with the Temple.

Duchairn owes the mighty host at least that much. After all, the jihad wasn't the MH's idea. As for what happens when the MH gets home it will be no more than what the aristocrats and bureaucrats deserve.

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It's not about what he owes them. It's about what he sacrifices by sending Harchong's society and economy into ruin. That lost revenue will make him less capable of meeting ANY of his obligations. Just don't think that's likely.
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Re: The way Duchairn’s salvaging the Church...
Post by n7axw   » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:51 am

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PeterZ wrote:
n7axw wrote:Northern Harchong is already a disaster. Any way that gets changed would have to be an improvement.

As for how they get home...walk, ride horses or barges. Maybe Charis could help with supplies or share the expense with the Temple.

Duchairn owes the mighty host at least that much. After all, the jihad wasn't the MH's idea. As for what happens when the MH gets home it will be no more than what the aristocrats and bureaucrats deserve.

Don

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It's not about what he owes them. It's about what he sacrifices by sending Harchong's society and economy into ruin. That lost revenue will make him less capable of meeting ANY of his obligations. Just don't think that's likely.


So then, what happens? It's not really tenable to leave the MH where it is. Siddarmark and the border states would object to that, quite justifiably so.

So they do have to go somewhere. Zion declared the Jihad and now Zion should at least in part provide the solution. These people were drafted via press gangs and wrenched away from their families who are back in Harchong and sent off to war.

Harchong may well not be meeting its obligations to the Temple anyway. There were hints in AtSoT that Harchong was unhappy with Duchairn's "liberalism" and could be breaking away to form a separate church more to their liking.

As for obligations, his obligation to those displaced soldiers should go to the head of the line. I am sure that they would prefer going home. And about the only way to keep them from getting murdered when they get home is to show up as an organized military force prepared to kick arse and take names...something which is long overdue anyway.

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Re: The way Duchairn’s salvaging the Church...
Post by PeterZ   » Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:09 am

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Where do they go? Why they all go south of course, even the Northern boys. That's been my point all along. Keeping that force together is more disruptive than breaking them up. If Duchairn really wants to make it up to those men, ship their families south to join them.
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Re: The way Duchairn’s salvaging the Church...
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:42 am

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PeterZ wrote:Where do they go? Why they all go south of course, even the Northern boys. That's been my point all along. Keeping that force together is more disruptive than breaking them up. If Duchairn really wants to make it up to those men, ship their families south to join them.

And just how do you propose to get NH to cough up those families?
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