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Duchairn needs the Verifier
Post by Expert snuggler   » Fri May 05, 2017 9:07 pm

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Major Phandys knows about it. He may or may not have told the new Grand Vicar. Either possibility is interesting.

Grand Vicar Duchairn has to face the risk of sabotage by secret Clyntahn loyalists. He has a need to know which side people are on. He needs to know which Vicars were actually supporting Clyntahn and which were going along out of fear.

If Duchairn knows about the Verifier and doesn't get to use it he could reasonably feel put out.

Is this going to be a conflict between Duchairn and the EoC?

Is this an opportunity for negotiation? I could imagine "We'll make it available for your use, under seijin supervision, if you'll in turn allow a Wylsynn full access to the Temple basement".
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Re: Duchairn needs the Verifier
Post by DrakBibliophile   » Fri May 05, 2017 10:16 pm

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Good question but I suspect only David Weber knows the answer. ;)

Expert snuggler wrote:Major Phandys knows about it. He may or may not have told the new Grand Vicar. Either possibility is interesting.

Grand Vicar Duchairn has to face the risk of sabotage by secret Clyntahn loyalists. He has a need to know which side people are on. He needs to know which Vicars were actually supporting Clyntahn and which were going along out of fear.

If Duchairn knows about the Verifier and doesn't get to use it he could reasonably feel put out.

Is this going to be a conflict between Duchairn and the EoC?

Is this an opportunity for negotiation? I could imagine "We'll make it available for your use, under seijin supervision, if you'll in turn allow a Wylsynn full access to the Temple basement".
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Re: Duchairn needs the Verifier
Post by Robert_A_Woodward   » Sat May 06, 2017 12:20 am

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Expert snuggler wrote:Major Phandys knows about it. He may or may not have told the new Grand Vicar. Either possibility is interesting.

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Major Phandys knows about it? Why do you think that? I see no reason that he would had been told about it.
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Re: Duchairn needs the Verifier
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Sat May 06, 2017 8:48 am

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Robert_A_Woodward wrote:
Expert snuggler wrote:Major Phandys knows about it. He may or may not have told the new Grand Vicar. Either possibility is interesting.

(SNIP)



Major Phandys knows about it? Why do you think that? I see no reason that he would had been told about it.

It was implied that it was used when he met with Merlin and Ninian at the wine shop.

Also, the verifier was known to the vicarate ,but was thought to have been lost at the time of Saint Everhard's death.
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Re: Duchairn needs the Verifier
Post by thanatos   » Sat May 06, 2017 7:49 pm

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That verifier isn't going anywhere without Patyr or Nynian attached to it, no matter what demands Duchairn might make (not that he's in any position to make such a demand). The only scenario I can see is the appointment of a vicar or vicars who represents the EoC (without perhaps a right to vote in the Council) who would either be Wylsynn or else someone Wylsynn would trust with the family's heirloom.
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Re: Duchairn needs the Verifier
Post by Robert_A_Woodward   » Sun May 07, 2017 12:48 am

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fallsfromtrees wrote:
Robert_A_Woodward wrote:
(snip of initial post which assumes that Phandys knew he was being tested by the verifier)

Major Phandys knows about it? Why do you think that? I see no reason that he would had been told about it.

It was implied that it was used when he met with Merlin and Ninian at the wine shop.

Also, the verifier was known to the vicarate ,but was thought to have been lost at the time of Saint Everhard's death.


But it was disguised as being part of something else. I repeat, I see no reason that he would had been told about it.
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Re: Duchairn needs the Verifier
Post by Expert snuggler   » Sun May 07, 2017 1:41 am

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I had missed the part about it being disguised.
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Re: Duchairn needs the Verifier
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Sun May 07, 2017 2:21 pm

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Expert snuggler wrote:I had missed the part about it being disguised.

And when it was used in OAR, it had to be taken out of its container, and the questionee had to place a finger on it. Phandys would have recognized it from descriptions that the Temple had from when it was lost -- sort of like the Holy Grail.
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Re: Duchairn needs the Verifier
Post by DrakBibliophile   » Sun May 07, 2017 3:29 pm

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Nod.

When "not in use", it was disguised.

But it is very noticeable when it is used as well as the person to be "verified" having to touch it.

And as has been said, Phandys would likely have recognized it and if he didn't recognize it (at first), Duchairn would have recognized it from Phandys's description.


fallsfromtrees wrote:
Expert snuggler wrote:I had missed the part about it being disguised.

And when it was used in OAR, it had to be taken out of its container, and the questionee had to place a finger on it. Phandys would have recognized it from descriptions that the Temple had from when it was lost -- sort of like the Holy Grail.
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