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A little help please - Hell's Foundations Quiver Chapter 2

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A little help please - Hell's Foundations Quiver Chapter 2
Post by aurabass   » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:10 pm

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As an Audible user I have a problem with a reference in a foreign language. In Chapter 2 Merlyn is reviewing his conversation with Angelic while involved in the Com conversation about his meeting with her. He returns to the conversation
Angelic is describing the recruits to her order and talks about the fact that they are rebellious and sent to the order due to that "firey" trait. Then she uses a foreign phrase to describe that aspect of their nature. I think the phrase is French but it's hard to make out in the audible version.
Can someone with a written copy fill me in on that phrase?

It comes after she describes the destruction of the abbey and tells Merlyn how the surviving sisters have carried on "divesting a third of the endowment" prior to the abbey's destruction in order to keep the secret tomb. She describes the new recruits and the "fire" in their nature and the "SOUNDS LIKE enchen rit zu may" "En chin rit zu may" is the wording I seek. If anyone can find it near the end of chapter 2 I would appreciate the wording. thanks
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Re: A little help please - Hell's Foundations Quiver Chapter
Post by ksandgren   » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:26 pm

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Anshinritsumei—“ the little fire” from the Holy Writ; the lesser touch of God’s spirit and the maximum enlightenment of which mortals are capable.

Weber, David. Hell's Foundations Quiver (Safehold) (p. 763). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition.

It is a Safehold writ word that MWW used here. It is not French or German. You didn't miss hear it, you just didn't recognize another twisted Safehold word.
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Re: A little help please - Hell's Foundations Quiver Chapter
Post by aurabass   » Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:12 pm

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ksandgren wrote:Anshinritsumei—“ the little fire” from the Holy Writ; the lesser touch of God’s spirit and the maximum enlightenment of which mortals are capable.

Weber, David. Hell's Foundations Quiver (Safehold) (p. 763). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition.

It is a Safehold writ word that MWW used here. It is not French or German. You didn't miss hear it, you just didn't recognize another twisted Safehold word.

thanks much
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Re: A little help please - Hell's Foundations Quiver Chapter
Post by Louis R   » Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:02 am

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not twisted, Japanese. at least, it's Japanese in form, and IIRC a speaker has said it's a possible word with a meaning that would make the usage given reasonable.


ksandgren wrote:Anshinritsumei—“ the little fire” from the Holy Writ; the lesser touch of God’s spirit and the maximum enlightenment of which mortals are capable.

Weber, David. Hell's Foundations Quiver (Safehold) (p. 763). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition.

It is a Safehold writ word that MWW used here. It is not French or German. You didn't miss hear it, you just didn't recognize another twisted Safehold word.
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Re: A little help please - Hell's Foundations Quiver Chapter
Post by evilauthor   » Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:39 pm

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Louis R wrote:not twisted, Japanese. at least, it's Japanese in form, and IIRC a speaker has said it's a possible word with a meaning that would make the usage given reasonable.


Given the word's sheer length and number of syllables, I can't help but wonder if the word is actually east Indian in origin, possibly via Hinduism or Buddhism. Quite a few Hindu and Buddhist concepts have names that are similarly mouthfuls to pronounce.
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Re: A little help please - Hell's Foundations Quiver Chapter
Post by dobriennm   » Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:38 pm

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evilauthor wrote:
Louis R wrote:not twisted, Japanese. at least, it's Japanese in form, and IIRC a speaker has said it's a possible word with a meaning that would make the usage given reasonable.


Given the word's sheer length and number of syllables, I can't help but wonder if the word is actually east Indian in origin, possibly via Hinduism or Buddhism. Quite a few Hindu and Buddhist concepts have names that are similarly mouthfuls to pronounce.


Well, mouthfuls to pronounce when an English speaker translates a foreign pronunciation into some English approximation using available English syllables and letters.
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Re: A little help please - Hell's Foundations Quiver Chapter
Post by n7axw   » Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:55 pm

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Meaning, of course, that English speaker still hasn't the foggiest idea as to how the word is really pronounced... :lol:

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Re: A little help please - Hell's Foundations Quiver Chapter
Post by John Prigent   » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:04 am

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And don't really care because foreigners speak 'scribble' anyway so should learn English.

I once met a man who had spent 20 years in Swahili-speaking Africa without bothering to learn a word of the language.

Cheers, John

n7axw wrote:Meaning, of course, that English speaker still hasn't the foggiest idea as to how the word is really pronounced... :lol:

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Re: A little help please - Hell's Foundations Quiver Chapter
Post by C. O. Thompson   » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:29 pm

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aurabass wrote:As an Audible user I have a problem with a reference in a foreign language. In Chapter 2 Merlyn is reviewing his conversation with Angelic while involved in the Com conversation about his meeting with her. He returns to the conversation
Angelic is describing the recruits to her order and talks about the fact that they are rebellious and sent to the order due to that "firey" trait. Then she uses a foreign phrase to describe that aspect of their nature. I think the phrase is French but it's hard to make out in the audible version.
Can someone with a written copy fill me in on that phrase?

It comes after she describes the destruction of the abbey and tells Merlyn how the surviving sisters have carried on "divesting a third of the endowment" prior to the abbey's destruction in order to keep the secret tomb. She describes the new recruits and the "fire" in their nature and the "SOUNDS LIKE enchen rit zu may" "En chin rit zu may" is the wording I seek. If anyone can find it near the end of chapter 2 I would appreciate the wording. thanks


I am glad you raised that question... normally when I encounter a word that I neither can pronounce nor know what it means, I can tap the word on kindle screen and... presto (Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat) but no luck with that one...

From December 2007 to now, I still don't know how to pronounce Seijin (or half a dozen other words) and I haven't gotten an audible version.
Too stubborn (or Scott's) I guess <but I think I just repeated myself> ;-)
Just my 2 ₡ worth
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Re: A little help please - Hell's Foundations Quiver Chapter
Post by Cartographer   » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:50 pm

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It's Japanese and means spiritual peace or enlightenment. There's loads of Japanese sprinkled throughout the books, I think since Chihiro is a Japanese name he was probably Japanese himself, he inserted quite a few native words into the canon via his book which have filtered into everyday use.
(at last learning that language has been useful!)
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