General Winter

During WW II Ski troops were used by the Germans, Russians, and Finns to raid behind enemy lines. Cross country skiing allows troops to move rapidly in winter I wonder if we will see more winter war? Glacier Heartians and Herchongiese are used to the cold maybe very good at this on each side. There are lots of Herchongiese and the Glacier Heartians are experienced in Winter war.

Hmm who do you think General Winter will favor Charis and Sidermark, or the Army of God in Winter War?

Poker

pokermind wrote:During WW II Ski troops were used by the Germans, Russians, and Finns to raid behind enemy lines. Cross country skiing allows troops to move rapidly in winter I wonder if we will see more winter war? Glacier Heartians and Herchongiese are used to the cold maybe very good at this on each side. There are lots of Herchongiese and the Glacier Heartians are experienced in Winter war.

Hmm who do you think General Winter will favor Charis and Sidermark, or the Army of God in Winter War?

Poker

Well, in theory. But it was because Finland and Soviet Union have a pre-war programs for mass paramilitary training, that include skiing. So, they have a large supply of ski troops.

And ski troops is more in therms of tactical mobility, not strategical. They are usefull to harras the enemy lines in winter, making hit-and-run attack... Wery good for gurellia warfare.

But i really doubt that it would be something new for Temple Lands (which are cold and snowy); after all, on Earth ski were used in warfare even in 1100-1200 B.C.

Hm! On the other hand, what about the airsleds?

http://photos1.blogger.com/hello/31/253 ... rosled.jpg

With something like Stirling engine to rotate the propeller, and something like machinegun to arm them, they could be enormously effective in winter actions near the Lake Pei.

Dilandu wrote:Hm! On the other hand, what about the airsleds?

http://photos1.blogger.com/hello/31/253 ... rosled.jpg

With something like Stirling engine to rotate the propeller, and something like machinegun to arm them, they could be enormously effective in winter actions near the Lake Pei.

An interesting idea, but even if all the necessary technologies had been developed (which they haven't, I believe), I doubt there would be enough time to make the airsleds and transport them to where they could be used before winter was over. If the war is still going on in the winter of 897-898, though, something like this might be able to be put into use.

Hi Pokermind,

We've discussed this at length before, regarding the advanced thinking the ICA has done regarding winter mobility, particularly the obvious preparations we've seen in LaMA.

OTOH, we have the textev in LaMA explaining Wyrshym's army doesn't have much winter clothing so its staying inside as much as possible, with very little winter mobile capability.

Given what we read in March in LaMA, BGV will wipe Wyrshym's army across the rest of winter.

Was there something in particular you had in mind?

L

pokermind wrote:During WW II Ski troops were used by the Germans, Russians, and Finns to raid behind enemy lines. Cross country skiing allows troops to move rapidly in winter I wonder if we will see more winter war? Glacier Heartians and Herchongiese are used to the cold maybe very good at this on each side. There are lots of Herchongiese and the Glacier Heartians are experienced in Winter war.

Hmm who do you think General Winter will favor Charis and Sidermark, or the Army of God in Winter War?

Poker

InvisibleBison wrote:
An interesting idea, but even if all the necessary technologies had been developed (which they haven't, I believe), I doubt there would be enough time to make the airsleds and transport them to where they could be used before winter was over. If the war is still going on in the winter of 897-898, though, something like this might be able to be put into use.

Well, i doubt that the war would be finished in just the summer of YOG 897. It would be very sucsessfull for Charis & Co, if they would be able to completely exile Church forces out of Siddarmark.

What I have in mind is asymmetric warfare, behind the lines guerrilla attacks on supply. My question is which side will fare better. The AOG has numbers and new breach loaders. Both sides have Glacier Heart veterains, and the AOG has the possibility of increasing numbers with cold tolerant Herchongese.

The allies have fewer numbers and guarding supply convoys and dumps from guerrilla attacks will effect the number of front line troops more than the AOG.

The AOG has ample evidence of the effectiveness of attacking logistics, and this strategy may be a winner for them. Thus my guess is General Winter will favor the AOG in this winter guerrilla warfare.

What say you?

Poker

lyonheart wrote:Hi Pokermind,

We've discussed this at length before, regarding the advanced thinking the ICA has done regarding winter mobility, particularly the obvious preparations we've seen in LaMA.

OTOH, we have the textev in LaMA explaining Wyrshym's army doesn't have much winter clothing so its staying inside as much as possible, with very little winter mobile capability.

Given what we read in March in LaMA, BGV will wipe Wyrshym's army across the rest of winter.

Was there something in particular you had in mind?

L


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Im of two minds about this. In regards to actual skiing, I would think that would be something that would favor the army of god, simply because Charis is such a warm mild climate that I'm not sure anyone even knows how to ski. Maybe in parts of Chisholm they do but not in Charis proper, so its not a skill that would be taught to the Army of Charis. However, as Hitler learned in his invasion of Russia, winter warfare has a lot to do with prepping before hand and in that area Charis is way ahead. IIRC they even mention that in LAMA how the army of Charis has been stock piling warm clothing and winter horses and lizards. I would think that shear preparation would give the edge far and away to Charis to have a better winter campaign

pokermind wrote:What I have in mind is asymmetric warfare, behind the lines guerrilla attacks on supply. My question is which side will fare better. The AOG has numbers and new breach loaders. Both sides have Glacier Heart veterains, and the AOG has the possibility of increasing numbers with cold tolerant Herchongese.

The allies have fewer numbers and guarding supply convoys and dumps from guerrilla attacks will effect the number of front line troops more than the AOG.

The AOG has ample evidence of the effectiveness of attacking logistics, and this strategy may be a winner for them. Thus my guess is General Winter will favor the AOG in this winter guerrilla warfare.

What say you?

Poker

lyonheart wrote:Hi Pokermind,

We've discussed this at length before, regarding the advanced thinking the ICA has done regarding winter mobility, particularly the obvious preparations we've seen in LaMA.

OTOH, we have the textev in LaMA explaining Wyrshym's army doesn't have much winter clothing so its staying inside as much as possible, with very little winter mobile capability.

Given what we read in March in LaMA, BGV will wipe Wyrshym's army across the rest of winter.

Was there something in particular you had in mind?

L


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Hi Pokermind,

For this to work in favor of the AOG, they at least have to bundle their people up so they don't freeze to death. Add into that the EOC's Chisholmians are used to the idea of excercising and perhaps even campaigning in winter, so the advantage would go to the EOC. In addition to that the EOC's army has those High Hallow horses bred for winter campaigning.

As a guessing man, I would suspect that the Army of the Sylvan Gap is going to be trapped and destroyed long before spring. That's what BGV seems to be anticipating anyway.

Don

n7axw wrote:
For this to work in favor of the AOG, they at least have to bundle their people up so they don't freeze to death. Add into that the EOC's Chisholmians are used to the idea of excercising and perhaps even campaigning in winter, so the advantage would go to the EOC. In addition to that the EOC's army has those High Hallow horses bred for winter campaigning.

As a guessing man, I would suspect that the Army of the Sylvan Gap is going to be trapped and destroyed long before spring. That's what BGV seems to be anticipating anyway.

Don

I'd say both sides will use the winter to prepare for the coming spring/summer campaign. The AoG will use the time to get new weapons and supplies like food to their armies in the field; building supply depots and getting some training done on using the new weapons, as well as sending out their winter adapted scouts and skirmishers to cause the heretics some troubles and spy. The EoC and Republic forces will use the winter to resupply and rearm, building their own supply depots and getting in some training. Siddermark soldiers still need training in the new weapons, as well as sending out their own scouts and skirmishers to spy on and mess with the AoG positions. But come spring, I think the EoC and Siddermark will steal the march on the AoG and be moving to besiege them, destroy their field armies and/or drive them back. Couple this with the EoC navy's actions down around the double Duce nations (I can't remember the countries names) with the coastlines and canals, and the AoG is going to be hurting a lot. I think they stand a good chance of losing most of their territorial gains and the EoC and Siddermark will be poised to make raids into the Border Lands and possibly the Temple Lands. Even if the EoC navy doesn't have their King Haarold ships ready yet, just having several squadrons of galleons patrolling the northern passageways will scare the crap out of a lot of the church people and give the Inquisition leadership dangerously high blood pressure.