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Langhorne set up by Chihiro?
Post by SilverbladeTE   » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:55 pm

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From topic that's come up in several threads, it seems possible Chihiro was behind much or even ALL the violence, Kinetic strike on Alexandria, maybe even letting Kau-Yung nuke the other leaders


From HELL' FOUNDATIONS QUIVER

Khody had come to question whether or not Langhorne himself had loosed the Rakurai on Armageddon Reef



According to the Spanish portion, however, Kohdy had started to suspect that Chihiro and his closest supporters had retained Hamilcar—although Kohdy didn’t know what Hamilcar truly was; he refers to it throughout as ‘the Dawn Star’—out of his own ambition to replace and supplant Langhorne completely.”


This flows into a lot of things and suggests Chihiro was a devious evil murderous schemer who could plan way ahead.

Could a Chihiro virtual personality return?

Will the Sisters of St Kody end up in conflict with a similar secretive Chihiro force?
some of the deaths in Through Fiery Trials seem damn "convenient" and unexpected.

Hm...
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Re: Langhorne set up by Chihiro?
Post by ssl4000g   » Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:34 pm

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SilverbladeTE wrote:
Could a Chihiro virtual personality return?

Will the Sisters of St Kody end up in conflict with a similar secretive Chihiro force?
some of the deaths in Through Fiery Trials seem damn "convenient" and unexpected.

Hm...


Will the Testimony of Schueler discuss this? That is an interesting possibility.

Who died first, Chihiro or Schueler?

One other crazy thought; We've seen, and tried to figure out by whom, Schueler's visit at his church. Be crazy if the IC did the Schueler visit and we see the same thing, but not by the IC, of Chihiro.

I would also wonder why we didn't see any evidence of another secretive group beyond the SSK in the story. Something should have left us wondering after this long.

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Re: Langhorne set up by Chihiro?
Post by Joat42   » Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:59 am

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I don't believe Chihiro was in cahoots with Kau-Yung or any of the other 'moderates' that was in agreement with Shan-Wei. Chihiro probably just went nuts after Kau-Yung blew up Langhorne and co.

It's possible Chihiro knew of Pei's real allegiance and used it to size power, but that seems a bit too Machiavellian since he had to predict accurately how Pei would react to the destruction of Shan-Wei's enclave.

In any way, it's most likely that Chihiro grabbed power after the bombing of Langhorne and went even further than what Langhorne had planned. The message from Schueler in the Key indicates that that is a likely scenario since it seems Schueler wasn't in agreement which also is why the Key and its message was to be kept secret. That would mean that Schueler had to work behind Chihiros back which also means it's a good bet that the apparition of him in the church was his work and not Merlin et al since the message he gave there has commonalities with the message in the Key.

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Re: Langhorne set up by Chihiro?
Post by SilverbladeTE   » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:31 am

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Joat42 wrote:I don't believe Chihiro was in cahoots with Kau-Yung or any of the other 'moderates' that was in agreement with Shan-Wei. Chihiro probably just went nuts after Kau-Yung blew up Langhorne and co.

It's possible Chihiro knew of Pei's real allegiance and used it to size power, but that seems a bit too Machiavellian since he had to predict accurately how Pei would react to the destruction of Shan-Wei's enclave.

In any way, it's most likely that Chihiro grabbed power after the bombing of Langhorne and went even further than what Langhorne had planned. The message from Schueler in the Key indicates that that is a likely scenario since it seems Schueler wasn't in agreement which also is why the Key and its message was to be kept secret. That would mean that Schueler had to work behind Chihiros back which also means it's a good bet that the apparition of him in the church was his work and not Merlin et al since the message he gave there has commonalities with the message in the Key.


Not in cahoots, but using them, setting it up
Chihiro bombs Alexandria, tells Kau-Yung Langhorne did it and then let him smuggle a nuke in
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Re: Langhorne set up by Chihiro?
Post by Joat42   » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:39 am

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SilverbladeTE wrote:Not in cahoots, but using them, setting it up
Chihiro bombs Alexandria, tells Kau-Yung Langhorne did it and then let him smuggle a nuke in

Which I noted was a bit too Machiavellian since he had to predict accurately how far Pei would go to retaliate, especially in light of the "official" rift between Pei and Shan-Wei.

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Re: Langhorne set up by Chihiro?
Post by ssl4000g   » Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:39 pm

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Joat42 wrote:I don't believe Chihiro was in cahoots with Kau-Yung or any of the other 'moderates' that was in agreement with Shan-Wei. Chihiro probably just went nuts after Kau-Yung blew up Langhorne and co.

It's possible Chihiro knew of Pei's real allegiance and used it to size power, but that seems a bit too Machiavellian since he had to predict accurately how Pei would react to the destruction of Shan-Wei's enclave.

In any way, it's most likely that Chihiro grabbed power after the bombing of Langhorne and went even further than what Langhorne had planned. The message from Schueler in the Key indicates that that is a likely scenario since it seems Schueler wasn't in agreement which also is why the Key and its message was to be kept secret. That would mean that Schueler had to work behind Chihiros back which also means it's a good bet that the apparition of him in the church was his work and not Merlin et al since the message he gave there has commonalities with the message in the Key.


That's an interesting thought Joat42, tying in the Schueler apparition with the Key message that we saw with Paiter. I hadn't thought about that.

If that is the case, then the Testimony of Schueler should really be an exciting reveal.

Waiting patiently for RFC....IS he done yet?! :P

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Re: Langhorne set up by Chihiro?
Post by Julia Minor   » Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:39 pm

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Joat42 wrote:
SilverbladeTE wrote:Not in cahoots, but using them, setting it up
Chihiro bombs Alexandria, tells Kau-Yung Langhorne did it and then let him smuggle a nuke in

Which I noted was a bit too Machiavellian since he had to predict accurately how far Pei would go to retaliate, especially in light of the "official" rift between Pei and Shan-Wei.


Depends on just how they played the "rift" (which we'll never know unless RFC is in the mood for a prequel). I've known divorced couples who can't stand each other but send a condolence card to the ex after a death in the ex's family.

But Chihiro doesn't need to be full-on Machiavelli for this scenario. Langhorne, not Chihiro, was the Colony Administrator, and they set up a strongly hierarchical system on Safehold. The Rakurai order would have been ultimately credited to Langhorne, because he was the guy in charge. Chihiro wouldn't have needed to tell anyone Langhorne did it. All he needed to do was find an excuse to be late to the next meeting, and watch the security monitors to see if anyone (not necessarily Kau-yung) was going to try getting revenge on Langhorne. If Langhorne gets blown away by a covert Shan-wei supporter, Chihiro's in charge; if not, everyone's either loyal or intimidated. Either way, it's a win for the Langhorne/Chihiro system.
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