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Re: What is the republic's policy towards Tories?
Post by runsforcelery   » Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:02 pm

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ColonialBoy wrote:
lyonheart wrote:But I enjoyed both of them, and the new information indicates the reconstituted 37th regiment is fighting in the Glacierheart -Hildermoss province areas (more the latter I think) if not more specifically the Green Cove Trace, not in Shiloh province, as I had previously supposed.


<SNIPPED AClone's post for brevity>

Umm ... Sorry, AClone, Lyonheart is more likely to be correct (especially if you consider where our esteemed author currently resides). During the "War between the States" (aka "The ACW", although official US Army histories label it "The War of the Rebellion" [see: U.S. Army counterinsurgency and contingency operations doctrine, 1860–1941 http://www.history.army.mil/html/books/070/70-66-1/CMH_Pub_70-66-1.pdf]), a Confederate General (R. E. Lee) commanded the Army of Northern Virginia (named so, as that was where it expected to engage in combat). Another Confederate General (J. E. Johnston) was commander of the Army of Tennessee, which held off a flanking attack by Union General James McPherson's Army of the Mississippi (I can guarantee it's soldiers didn't come from Mississippi :) ) which happened to be Union General W. T. Sherman's former command.

Elsewhere in the world (at about the same time period - 1870), during the "Franco-Prussian War", French Marshals Bazaine commanded the Army of Metz, MacMahon the Army of Strasbourg, and Canrobert the Army of Chalons. Facing them were the German First Army under General Stienmetz, Second Army under Crown Prince Charles [of Prussia], and Third Army under the Imperial Crown Prince Friedrich Wilhelm.

Curiously, before the end of the war, the French armies named for their operational areas became numbered Corp under the control of a MUCH larger Army of the Rhine and the German numbered Armies were subsumed into the op-area named Army of the Meuse (if you want to view an EXCELLENT website describing this war, see: http://francoprussianwar.com/war.htm) :) .

The world of military science was changing rapidly at this point, so just about ANY labelling method would be correct (especially in a world like Safehold where about three T-centuries of change were compressed into about three S-Years)! :shock:


A very concisely argued presentation. Unfortunately, Lyonheart is wrong about where the 37th is going to be fighting. ;)


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Re: What is the republic's policy towards Tories?
Post by laz   » Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:16 pm

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runsforcelery wrote:A very concisely argued presentation. Unfortunately, Lyonheart is wrong about where the 37th is going to be fighting. ;)


Just wondering but are you currently editing the book to shoot down Lyonheart's ideas?

;)
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Re: What is the republic's policy towards Tories?
Post by runsforcelery   » Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:24 pm

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laz wrote:
runsforcelery wrote:A very concisely argued presentation. Unfortunately, Lyonheart is wrong about where the 37th is going to be fighting. ;)


Just wondering but are you currently editing the book to shoot down Lyonheart's ideas?

;)
laz



Nope. Too late for that sort of frivolity. :D


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quibbles was: republic's policy towards Tories?
Post by Howard T. Map-addict   » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:24 pm

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Replies to numbered points:

1 - Its True Name was
"The War For Slaveholders' Privileges."

2 - "intended" not "expected" to fight there,
but note that Lee did take it into Maryland in 1862,
and into Pennsylvania in 1863.
Still, this has the Best Support of all these points. ;)

3 - The Army of Tennessee was in Georgia,
for all the time that Joe Johnston commanded it.

4 - McPherson and Sherman commanded the
(Union) Army of the Tennessee, which Grant had
formed there and taken to Vicksburg, Miss.
It was dependent on the Tennessee River for supplies,
but was in Georgia during McPherson's tenure.
NOTE: it did recruit some soldiers in Mississippi.
Almost all of them were black. :lol: :mrgreen:

The Union Army of the Mississippi was Pope's outfit.


ColonialBoy wrote:[snip - htm]
1 - During the "War between the States" (aka "The ACW", although official US Army histories label it "The War of the Rebellion" [see: U.S. Army counterinsurgency and contingency operations doctrine, 1860–1941 http://www.history.army.mil/html/books/070/70-66-1/CMH_Pub_70-66-1.pdf]),

a Confederate General (R. E. Lee) commanded the
2 - Army of Northern Virginia (named so,
as that was where it expected to engage in combat).
Another Confederate General (J. E. Johnston)
3 - was commander of the Army of Tennessee,
which held off a flanking attack by Union General
4 - James McPherson's Army of the Mississippi
(I can guarantee it's soldiers didn't come from Mississippi :) ) which happened to be
Union General W. T. Sherman's former command.
[snip - htm]
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Re: quibbles was: republic's policy towards Tories?
Post by DrakBibliophile   » Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:18 pm

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Just call it "The Slaveowners Revolt". :twisted:

Howard T. Map-addict wrote:Replies to numbered points:

1 - Its True Name was
"The War For Slaveholders' Privileges."

2 - "intended" not "expected" to fight there,
but note that Lee did take it into Maryland in 1862,
and into Pennsylvania in 1863.
Still, this has the Best Support of all these points. ;)

3 - The Army of Tennessee was in Georgia,
for all the time that Joe Johnston commanded it.

4 - McPherson and Sherman commanded the
(Union) Army of the Tennessee, which Grant had
formed there and taken to Vicksburg, Miss.
It was dependent on the Tennessee River for supplies,
but was in Georgia during McPherson's tenure.
NOTE: it did recruit some soldiers in Mississippi.
Almost all of them were black. :lol: :mrgreen:

The Union Army of the Mississippi was Pope's outfit.


ColonialBoy wrote:[snip - htm]
1 - During the "War between the States" (aka "The ACW", although official US Army histories label it "The War of the Rebellion" [see: U.S. Army counterinsurgency and contingency operations doctrine, 1860–1941 http://www.history.army.mil/html/books/070/70-66-1/CMH_Pub_70-66-1.pdf]),

a Confederate General (R. E. Lee) commanded the
2 - Army of Northern Virginia (named so,
as that was where it expected to engage in combat).
Another Confederate General (J. E. Johnston)
3 - was commander of the Army of Tennessee,
which held off a flanking attack by Union General
4 - James McPherson's Army of the Mississippi
(I can guarantee it's soldiers didn't come from Mississippi :) ) which happened to be
Union General W. T. Sherman's former command.
[snip - htm]
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Re: What is the republic's policy towards Tories?
Post by lyonheart   » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:42 am

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Hello RunsForCelery,

The frivolity of it all is quite amusing. ;)

I should have realized that the green Cove trace is too obvious for the MWW, my original guess was Shiloh province before the clarification regarding the 1st Glacierheart Volunteers skewed my thinking, so back to Shiloh, though the Branath canal must be dealt with sooner or later.

Thank you too, Laz, for not piling on; you two made me smile. :lol:

L


runsforcelery wrote:
laz wrote:**quote="runsforcelery"**
A very concisely argued presentation. Unfortunately, Lyonheart is wrong about where the 37th is going to be fighting. ;)**/quote**

Just wondering but are you currently editing the book to shoot down Lyonheart's ideas?

;)
laz



Nope. Too late for that sort of frivolity. :D
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Re: quibbles was: republic's policy towards Tories?
Post by Charybdis   » Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:07 am

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DrakBibliophile wrote:Just call it "The Slaveowners Revolt". :twisted:

Yes, the slaveholders were quite revolting! I hold with Heinlein (Citizen of the Galaxy), that slavery is one of the worst sins!
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Re: quibbles was: republic's policy towards Tories?
Post by gbabafan   » Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:10 am

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[quote="DrakBibliophile"]Just call it "The Slaveowners Revolt". :twisted:

I prefer the War of Southern Treason and am of the view that the country would've been better served if our ancestors had pushed the rebels into the sea.

It's often forgotten that the rebels attempted to conquer Northern Territory....
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Re: What is the republic's policy towards Tories?
Post by n7axw   » Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:16 am

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Gracious, not a lot of promoting reconcilation on THIS thread...

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Re: What is the republic's policy towards Tories?
Post by KNick   » Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:37 pm

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n7axw wrote:Gracious, not a lot of promoting reconcilation on THIS thread...

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Unfortunately, many of the issues that fueled that war are still with us today. Some have been replaced by the modern equivalent, but most of the original reasons still exist. States Rights, Tariffs and Taxes. Civil Rights for minorities and Immigration just to name a few.
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