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Re: General Winter
Post by Weird Harold   » Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:56 pm

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saber964 wrote:The reason why they will weight is for the AoG-North to have lost thousands of men to depravation desertion disease and starvation.


I think you mean "wait" (just teasing; the kind of mistake I could make).


If you're going to pick on typos, why point our the difference between Depraved and Deprived? At least Weight and Wait are pronounced the same. :roll:
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Re: General Winter
Post by Highjohn   » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:18 pm

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Dilandu wrote:....on Earth ski were used in warfare even in 1100-1200 B.C.


Citation please. I believe you I am just personally curious about where they were used back then. So if you could give a battle or war name I would appreciate it.
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Re: General Winter
Post by n7axw   » Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:35 am

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Weird Harold wrote:
If you're going to pick on typos, why point our the difference between Depraved and Deprived? At least Weight and Wait are pronounced the same. :roll:


( :o all innocence) Why I thought "depraved" was what he meant... Desertion is "depraved" behavior, isn't it?

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Re: General Winter
Post by Dilandu   » Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:38 am

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Highjohn wrote:
Dilandu wrote:....on Earth ski were used in warfare even in 1100-1200 B.C.


Citation please. I believe you I am just personally curious about where they were used back then. So if you could give a battle or war name I would appreciate it.


Sorry, it's look like my mistake. :( I just checked the numbers... There wasn't B.C. here. Sorry. :(
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Re: General Winter
Post by pokermind   » Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:38 am

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A Norwegian soldier on skis 1801.

from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ski_warfare It states "Ski warfare, the use of ski-equipped troops in war, is first recorded by the Danish historian Saxo Grammaticus in the 13th century. The speed and distance that ski troops are able to cover is comparable to that of light cavalry."

Russian ski troops of the 1500s painted in 1903 by Sergei V. Ivanov from above article:

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General article on skiing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_skiing notes: "The oldest information about skiing is based on archaeological evidence. A wooden ski dating from about 6300–5000 BC was found about 1,200 km northeast of Moscow at Lake Sindor."

Even the Romans skied :shock: :

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Re: General Winter
Post by Earldrygulch   » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:49 am

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For this to work in favor of the AOG, they at least have to bundle their people up so they don't freeze to death. Add into that the EOC's Chisholmians are used to the idea of excercising and perhaps even campaigning in winter, so the advantage would go to the EOC. In addition to that the EOC's army has those High Hallow horses bred for winter campaigning.

As a guessing man, I would suspect that the Army of the Sylvan Gap is going to be trapped and destroyed long before spring. That's what BGV seems to be anticipating anyway.

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I'd say both sides will use the winter to prepare for the coming spring/summer campaign. The AoG will use the time to get new weapons and supplies like food to their armies in the field; building supply depots and getting some training done on using the new weapons, as well as sending out their winter adapted scouts and skirmishers to cause the heretics some troubles and spy. The EoC and Republic forces will use the winter to resupply and rearm, building their own supply depots and getting in some training. Siddermark solbdiers still need training in the new weapons, as well as sending out their own scouts and skirmishers to spy on and mess with the AoG positions. But come spring, I think the EoC and Siddermark will steal the march on the AoG and be moving to besiege them, destroy their field armies and/or drive them back. Couple this with the EoC navy's actions down around the double Duce nations (I can't remember the countries names) with the coastlines and canals, and the AoG is going to be hurting a lot. I think they stand a good chance of losing most of their territorial gains and the EoC and Siddermark will be poised to make raids into the Border Lands and possibly the Temple Lands. Even if the EoC navy doesn't have their King Haarold ships ready yet, just having several squadrons of galleons patrolling the northern passageways will scare the crap out of a lot of the church people and give the Inquisition leadership dangerously high blood pressure.


Giving the church leadership high blood pressure is the real goal. Push them into making as many mistakes as possible.
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Re: General Winter
Post by SYED   » Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:18 pm

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I wonder if they would hire forces from the raven lands, they are used to winter campaigns. They dont have to be agains the church forces, they can claim to be working for the legal government of the republic to hunt rebels.
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Re: General Winter
Post by InvisibleBison   » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:40 pm

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SYED wrote:I wonder if they would hire forces from the raven lands, they are used to winter campaigns. They dont have to be agains the church forces, they can claim to be working for the legal government of the republic to hunt rebels.


The Raven Lands have a very small population, only about 150,000 or so people. I doubt that there would be a significant number of such mercenaries available, assuming there would be any at all.
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Re: General Winter
Post by n7axw   » Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:47 am

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InvisibleBison wrote:
SYED wrote:I wonder if they would hire forces from the raven lands, they are used to winter campaigns. They dont have to be agains the church forces, they can claim to be working for the legal government of the republic to hunt rebels.


The Raven Lands have a very small population, only about 150,000 or so people. I doubt that there would be a significant number of such mercenaries available, assuming there would be any at all.


They could hire units of Raven lands personnel just like the Brits hired Ghurkas from Nepal which eventually became a very proud tradition within the British Army.

But one should remember that the core of the EOC armies are the Chisholmians who have a history of winter exercises and campaigning well before their current relationship with Charis. As I'm sure we're about to discover in HFQ, they won't be slouches at it.

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Re: General Winter
Post by Highjohn   » Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:55 am

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Thanks for the response Dilandu and pokermind.
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