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Re: Could the inner circle push the old Terran fed tech alon
Post by dobriennm   » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:11 pm

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LadyWhirlwind wrote:
runsforcelery wrote:
Um. There's also the interesting point that no one knows how the OBS (or anything that might be hidden under the Temple) would react to spacecraft leaving planetary orbit. And as Dilandu pointed out above, that would be another of those mistakes you only get to make once.

Just saying.


They could use a stargate? :D


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Re: Could the inner circle push the old Terran fed tech alon
Post by Joat42   » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:15 pm

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runsforcelery wrote:
Joat42 wrote:My thoughts is that they need to set up off world resource extraction and build a habitat out of sight of the OBS.

How to get that up and running is an interesting problem though.


Um. There's also the interesting point that no one knows how the OBS (or anything that might be hidden under the Temple) would react to spacecraft leaving planetary orbit. And as Dilandu pointed out above, that would be another of those mistakes you only get to make once.

Just saying.

That's why it's an "interesting" problem... :lol:

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Re: Could the inner circle push the old Terran fed tech alon
Post by Randomiser   » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:34 am

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runsforcelery wrote:<Snip>
This would not be a definite result; it would be a possible outcome and one of those "If we roll craps, there's no tomorrow" sort of situations. Which is likely to have a small impact on their thinking. :lol:


Of course the other side of the vice you have so kindly built for them is that there is a fair possibility that "If we don't roll craps there's no tomorrow". Which is also likely to have a small impact on their thinking. ;)

Besides, you posted long ago that you had thought of several ways of dealing with the OBS. Maybe they'll discover one of those .... :lol:
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Re: Could the inner circle push the old Terran fed tech alon
Post by Joat42   » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:14 am

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Randomiser wrote:
runsforcelery wrote:<Snip>
This would not be a definite result; it would be a possible outcome and one of those "If we roll craps, there's no tomorrow" sort of situations. Which is likely to have a small impact on their thinking. :lol:


Of course the other side of the vice you have so kindly built for them is that there is a fair possibility that "If we don't roll craps there's no tomorrow". Which is also likely to have a small impact on their thinking. ;)

Besides, you posted long ago that you had thought of several ways of dealing with the OBS. Maybe they'll discover one of those .... :lol:

I would assume that it's possible to drop off a heavily stealthed package of weaponized nanites on an ballistic intercept course to a platform. The problem is as mentioned, we have no real baseline of what defensive capabilities the platforms have and if the nanites would be able to reach a platform intact.

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Re: Could the inner circle push the old Terran fed tech alon
Post by NervousEnergy   » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:54 am

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Joat42 wrote:
Randomiser wrote:
Of course the other side of the vice you have so kindly built for them is that there is a fair possibility that "If we don't roll craps there's no tomorrow". Which is also likely to have a small impact on their thinking. ;)

Besides, you posted long ago that you had thought of several ways of dealing with the OBS. Maybe they'll discover one of those .... :lol:

I would assume that it's possible to drop off a heavily stealthed package of weaponized nanites on an ballistic intercept course to a platform. The problem is as mentioned, we have no real baseline of what defensive capabilities the platforms have and if the nanites would be able to reach a platform intact.

We also have no information on ammo or targeting restrictions. If it's not manufacturing its own projectiles and has a limited store of them, then one solution would be setting up a generator on Armaggedon Reef (or any other unpopulated location), let it get blasted, then rinse/repeat until out of ammo.

Regarding targeting, it may also not be programmed to fire on the temple. How close to the temple is the safe zone? This would require conquering Zion which is probably not politically feasible, but that depends on how great the need is.
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Re: Could the inner circle push the old Terran fed tech alon
Post by Joat42   » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:01 am

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Joat42 wrote:
Randomiser wrote:Of course the other side of the vice you have so kindly built for them is that there is a fair possibility that "If we don't roll craps there's no tomorrow". Which is also likely to have a small impact on their thinking. ;)

Besides, you posted long ago that you had thought of several ways of dealing with the OBS. Maybe they'll discover one of those .... :lol:

I would assume that it's possible to drop off a heavily stealthed package of weaponized nanites on an ballistic intercept course to a platform. The problem is as mentioned, we have no real baseline of what defensive capabilities the platforms have and if the nanites would be able to reach a platform intact.
NervousEnergy wrote:We also have no information on ammo or targeting restrictions. If it's not manufacturing its own projectiles and has a limited store of them, then one solution would be setting up a generator on Armaggedon Reef (or any other unpopulated location), let it get blasted, then rinse/repeat until out of ammo.

Regarding targeting, it may also not be programmed to fire on the temple. How close to the temple is the safe zone? This would require conquering Zion which is probably not politically feasible, but that depends on how great the need is.

I think there is some textev that the platforms have automated drones supplying them with fuel and resources for maintenance.

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Re: Could the inner circle push the old Terran fed tech alon
Post by jtg452   » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:44 pm

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LadyWhirlwind wrote:
They could use a stargate? :D

You forget who you are dealing with.

What they need to do is build a BOLO. :mrgreen:
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Re: Could the inner circle push the old Terran fed tech alon
Post by Alistair   » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:05 pm

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Thank you DW for your reply to my thread certainly there would be significant limitations on what the inner circle could build but there might be some things that are achievable with what they have.

They might be able to push a along the medical tech to get the Terran Education system compatible with safeholdian people.

They might be able to get people downloaded onto a computer mainframe to do work with Nahrman.

They might be able to look at building a new AI specifically designed to have a go at cracking the "key."

Even theoretical work on research and development in taking the bombardment system rather than it "can't work won't work" could give benefits years down the track.

These would seem small projects size wise but could have enormous potential.

In effect building a new Alexandra enclave under the mountain a small community of people able to access Terran education and grow up familiar with it could pave the way to all sorts of things.

Not a project to be undertaken in a crisis but now they have a few years to think its certainly worth thinking about.
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Re: Could the inner circle push the old Terran fed tech alon
Post by n7axw   » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:17 am

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I hate to be the party pooper.... but my impression is that for now, the ceiling has probably been reached.

There are two issues here. One is the political one. Sufficiently hiding what you are doing would more than likely deal with that.

But the other is the OBS. What is being proposed implies the use of electricity. Unless you manage to bury that deep enough to hide it, the OBS could notice and react. While we know that's possible from Nimue's Cave, you probably wouldn't want to attempt it on a larger scale or less deeply buried...which limits the scale of what you could do pretty severely.

The elbow room you have so far is that along with updating industry to steam, you can educate. The royal college is a start. Multiply the number of colleges to educate in the scientific method There is a danger that once this sort of knowledge gets out, someone will carry things to the point where the OBS does react and deal the whole thing a real setback. Imagine the religious and political firestorm that a rakurai strike would cause.

I find myself thinking that maybe someone could be trained in Nimue's cave to deal with whatever is in the basement and then covertly enter the temple and figure out what is going on.

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Re: Could the inner circle push the old Terran fed tech alon
Post by Alistair   » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:55 pm

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It's a good question how many people could the cave hold?

10 a 100 or even a 1000? Without the Bombardment AI noticing?

Would give idea of constraints Merlin is dealing with.
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