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Who has the military advantage in terms of technology?

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Who has the military advantage in terms of technology?
Post by ThisName1   » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:41 am

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Going back through the books and I can't decide if the arcanans dragons, drakes, unicorns and assorted magic gadgets is enough to overcome the Sharonians artillery and steam vehicles. At least without using overwhelming numbers.
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Re: Who has the military advantage in terms of technology?
Post by PeterZ   » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:15 am

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My take has always been to look at the constraints surrounding the use of the different systems.

Dragons take upwards of 20 years to grow and train properly. Magic used out in the wilderness requires recharges that either depend on a magic net or highly powerful magisters. Effective magisters are a small portion of the Arcanan population. Building up the industrial capacity to make cannons, steam powered war vehicles, rifles, locomotives, rail cars, ships and the whole host of machines the Sharonans need on the other hand, may be built by anyone in their society. That and the shorter time requirements to build versus grow their weapons systems means that the Sharonans can offset any individual inferiority with quantity more easily.

As it stands there is near parity in individual effectiveness of each side's systems. That leads me to believe the Sharonans will be able to apply more force in the frontier universes than the Arcanas. That advantage will dissipate the closer to arcana the fighting proceeds.
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Re: Who has the military advantage in terms of technology?
Post by ThisName1   » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:03 am

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I hadn't even though of breeding and training times. If the war stretches on and is bad enough to cause a dragon shortage that would cripple the arcanans.
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Re: Who has the military advantage in terms of technology?
Post by Jonathan_S   » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:11 pm

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ThisName1 wrote:I hadn't even though of breeding and training times. If the war stretches on and is bad enough to cause a dragon shortage that would cripple the arcanans.

On the other hand the Arcanans appear to have (or at least to have had) weapons of mass destruction level spells. If they get desperate enough to dust those off you might lose major parts of mechanized armies.

OTOH it's not yet clear how close to Arcana the higher tech weapons can work reliably, nor how close to Sharona major spells function. It seems almost like we're heading to a stalemate caused largely by the changing physics/metaphysics as you approach each civilizations' home universe.
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Re: Who has the military advantage in terms of technology?
Post by thanatos   » Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:10 pm

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Jonathan_S wrote:
ThisName1 wrote:I hadn't even though of breeding and training times. If the war stretches on and is bad enough to cause a dragon shortage that would cripple the arcanans.

On the other hand the Arcanans appear to have (or at least to have had) weapons of mass destruction level spells. If they get desperate enough to dust those off you might lose major parts of mechanized armies.

OTOH it's not yet clear how close to Arcana the higher tech weapons can work reliably, nor how close to Sharona major spells function. It seems almost like we're heading to a stalemate caused largely by the changing physics/metaphysics as you approach each civilizations' home universe.


The key difference is the degree to which Arcana is dependent upon magic vs. the degree to which Sharona is dependent upon its psionic talents. The latter have specifically development ordinary technology that is much closer to ours in parallel to the development of their talents. In other words, while everyone on Sharona is furious at the murder of their Voices, they are now aware of the potential weakness of the Voice net and will take technological steps to correct it (i.e. by developing telegraphs, radios and so on).

By contrast, Arcana is utterly dependent upon magic and once that magic is exhausted on the frontier, they only have a limited number of people capable of recharging their capacitors. Nor can they easily replace any lost magical beast they have since it takes years to bread and grow them - unless they can grow them faster with magic (but that seems unlikely given the shortages they now have in dragons and the amounts of food they'd need to provide them).

Obviously, logistics is going to be a major issue right along with available manpower. As noted in the textev, both sides are constrained to operate in a relatively narrow corridor between each universe's two or more gates. Also the distance between Arcana and the front is considerable. Which means that once they eliminate Harshu's AEF, they will be free to continue up the chain to Arcana until logistic start to impair their ability to replace any material or manpower losses.
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Re: Who has the military advantage in terms of technology?
Post by n7axw   » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:17 pm

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Jonathan_S wrote:
ThisName1 wrote:I hadn't even though of breeding and training times. If the war stretches on and is bad enough to cause a dragon shortage that would cripple the arcanans.

On the other hand the Arcanans appear to have (or at least to have had) weapons of mass destruction level spells. If they get desperate enough to dust those off you might lose major parts of mechanized armies.

OTOH it's not yet clear how close to Arcana the higher tech weapons can work reliably, nor how close to Sharona major spells function. It seems almost like we're heading to a stalemate caused largely by the changing physics/metaphysics as you approach each civilizations' home universe.


IIRC, it was about three universes out from New Arcana that Shylar and Jathmar's gifts started malfunctioning seriously. Got those names wrong I think. But that might serve as a marker for guessing how far Sharona could go.

As for Arcana, they are stopped at Ft. Selby, but their gifts are still working so conceivably they could advance further toward Sharona except for how it would lengthen their supply lines further and the limitations on availability for their magic.

At present, both sides would be stopped well short of their opponent's home universe.

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