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Here there be dragons...

"Hell's Gate" and "Hell Hath No Fury", by David, Linda Evans, and Joelle Presby, take the clash of science and magic to a whole new dimension...join us in a friendly discussion of this engrossing series!
Re: Here there be dragons...
Post by Thorby   » Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:10 pm

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bkwormlisa wrote:True to a degree. Organic beings tend to be able to go far longer without maintenance and under poor conditions than mechanical things, but once they are damaged or broken, they are almost always harder and more time-consuming to fix...


Given that a talented Healer can bring back people from almost certain death and restore their health, couldn't Magic repair dragons?
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Re: Here there be dragons...
Post by tonyz   » Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:24 pm

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Thorby wrote:Given that a talented Healer can bring back people from almost certain death and restore their health, couldn't Magic repair dragons?


Yes. There are references to DragonHealers patching up several dragons that have suffered from Sharonan ground fire, though it's mentioned that some of the dragons are badly wounded enough that they're not returning to service any time soon.
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Re: Here there be dragons...
Post by Howard T. Map-addict   » Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:26 pm

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Yes, most of the time, we are told.
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Thorby wrote:
Given that a talented Healer can bring back people from almost certain death and restore their health, couldn't Magic repair dragons?
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Re: Here there be dragons...
Post by bkwormlisa   » Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:29 am

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tonyz wrote:
Thorby wrote:Given that a talented Healer can bring back people from almost certain death and restore their health, couldn't Magic repair dragons?


Yes. There are references to DragonHealers patching up several dragons that have suffered from Sharonan ground fire, though it's mentioned that some of the dragons are badly wounded enough that they're not returning to service any time soon.

And that implies that whatever dragon healers can do, it isn't near as miraculous as what they can do to humans. Granted, in HHNF it could take several days for the Healers to release a wounded prisoner as well enough, but with dragons it seems to take weeks to return them to duty (such as the dragon injured off camera at the beginning of HG). Maybe it's a size issue? The amount of flesh needing healing in the most badly injured human is probably a lot less than the flesh needing healing in a mildly injured dragon.
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Re: Here there be dragons...
Post by n7axw   » Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:41 pm

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bkwormlisa wrote:
And that implies that whatever dragon healers can do, it isn't near as miraculous as what they can do to humans. Granted, in HHNF it could take several days for the Healers to release a wounded prisoner as well enough, but with dragons it seems to take weeks to return them to duty (such as the dragon injured off camera at the beginning of HG). Maybe it's a size issue? The amount of flesh needing healing in the most badly injured human is probably a lot less than the flesh needing healing in a mildly injured dragon.


One would suspect that the worse the injury, the longer the healing takes for both dragons and humans...although some of what we've seen Arcanan healers accompkish is pretty impressive.

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Re: Here there be dragons...
Post by bkwormlisa   » Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:41 pm

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When I said that, I was thinking of how the healers seem to tap into magic energy to force healing. Basic physics says that the larger the injury and the more serious (two significant factors that are sort of related), the more energy it takes to heal it in absolute terms. A proportionally serious injury might have similar natural healing times, no matter the size of the creature, because of how much any creature's body can handle is based on their size, as is the energy.

But if the healer in both cases is human, it would still take a lot more effort to heal a huge wound than a medium one, no matter how proportionally bad it was to the injured animal. That would seem to explain why a healer could forcibly heal even the most badly wounded human quickly, while they can't heal a dragon's torn wing nearly as fast.

Did that make my point more clear or more confusing?
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bkwormlisa wrote:
And that implies that whatever dragon healers can do, it isn't near as miraculous as what they can do to humans. Granted, in HHNF it could take several days for the Healers to release a wounded prisoner as well enough, but with dragons it seems to take weeks to return them to duty (such as the dragon injured off camera at the beginning of HG). Maybe it's a size issue? The amount of flesh needing healing in the most badly injured human is probably a lot less than the flesh needing healing in a mildly injured dragon.


One would suspect that the worse the injury, the longer the healing takes for both dragons and humans...although some of what we've seen Arcanan healers accompkish is pretty impressive.

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Re: Here there be dragons...
Post by n7axw   » Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:23 pm

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bkwormlisa wrote:When I said that, I was thinking of how the healers seem to tap into magic energy to force healing. Basic physics says that the larger the injury and the more serious (two significant factors that are sort of related), the more energy it takes to heal it in absolute terms. A proportionally serious injury might have similar natural healing times, no matter the size of the creature, because of how much any creature's body can handle is based on their size, as is the energy.

But if the healer in both cases is human, it would still take a lot more effort to heal a huge wound than a medium one, no matter how proportionally bad it was to the injured animal. That would seem to explain why a healer could forcibly heal even the most badly wounded human quickly, while they can't heal a dragon's torn wing nearly as fast.

Did that make my point more clear or more confusing?



I think your point is clear enough. I would wonder, though about making the effort proportionate to the size of the job. Still, what you are saying does have logic to it...

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