Topic Actions

Topic Search

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests

Sort of snippet

"Hell's Gate" and "Hell Hath No Fury", by David, Linda Evans, and Joelle Presby, take the clash of science and magic to a whole new dimension...join us in a friendly discussion of this engrossing series!
Re: Sort of snippet
Post by goglen   » Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:51 pm

goglen
Ensign

Posts: 19
Joined: Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:59 pm

rmsgrey wrote:But any "Uromathian prince" must come from within Chava's power base, and must have enough prominence to be a prince, so will have his own supporters (or at least people who see an opportunity to profit from his rise in power).


No, the "Letter of the law" simply says an Uromathian Prince. HHNF clearly introduced a Uromathian prince, that Chava's family did not agree with, that Andarin liked.
Top
Re: Sort of snippet
Post by PeterZ   » Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:50 am

PeterZ
Fleet Admiral

Posts: 5261
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:11 pm
Location: Colorado

goglen wrote:
rmsgrey wrote:But any "Uromathian prince" must come from within Chava's power base, and must have enough prominence to be a prince, so will have his own supporters (or at least people who see an opportunity to profit from his rise in power).


No, the "Letter of the law" simply says an Uromathian Prince. HHNF clearly introduced a Uromathian prince, that Chava's family did not agree with, that Andarin liked.


Is either point exclusive to the other? I think not. Chava will scheme to stop his powerbase from defecting to the prince Andrin fancies and his father. That and the sense of being cheated fair and square by a 17 year old girl ought to push Chava into treason. We all have our suspicions on how that treason will manifest given the foreshadowing/visions.
Top
Re: Sort of snippet
Post by grendel_one   » Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:47 am

grendel_one
Captain (Junior Grade)

Posts: 262
Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:28 am

runsforcelery wrote:The Emperor of Uromathia had only five unmarried sons.


I'm not sure why an existing marriage would stop her, it sure didn't stop Honor.
Top
Re: Sort of snippet
Post by Howard T. Map-addict   » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:37 pm

Howard T. Map-addict
Rear Admiral

Posts: 1392
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:47 am
Location: Philadelphia, PA

Please see my posts upthread.

It occurs to me that, the more sons Chava has,
the more likely that one is "less bad" than the others.
Which might be reason for the Textev to be "three."

HTM

grendel_one wrote:
runsforcelery wrote:The Emperor of Uromathia had only five unmarried sons.


I'm not sure why an existing marriage would stop her, it sure didn't stop Honor.
Top
Re: Sort of snippet
Post by SCC   » Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:11 am

SCC
Commander

Posts: 216
Joined: Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:04 am

I think that people really should go back and read the part where the section of the Act of Unification, for those who can't be bothered here it is from Chapter 52 of Hell's Gate

"Article Two, Section Three, Subsection Fourteen: It shall be agreed that the Heir to the co-joined Thrones of the Empires of Ternathia and Sharona shall, within three months of the ratification of this Act of Unification by all Parties, wed a Royal Princess of Uromathia, and that the Issue of this Marriage shall in perpetuity displace the claim of any other Individual, Dynasty, or Nation upon the Crown of the Empire of Sharona."


Now Chapter 35 of Hell Hath No Fury did in no way modify these, so strictly speaking Andrin has to marry a Uromathian Princess, not Prince

Clearly in light of this fact the treaty will need to be reworded
Top
Re: Sort of snippet
Post by PeterZ   » Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:20 am

PeterZ
Fleet Admiral

Posts: 5261
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:11 pm
Location: Colorado

SCC wrote:I think that people really should go back and read the part where the section of the Act of Unification, for those who can't be bothered here it is from Chapter 52 of Hell's Gate

"Article Two, Section Three, Subsection Fourteen: It shall be agreed that the Heir to the co-joined Thrones of the Empires of Ternathia and Sharona shall, within three months of the ratification of this Act of Unification by all Parties, wed a Royal Princess of Uromathia, and that the Issue of this Marriage shall in perpetuity displace the claim of any other Individual, Dynasty, or Nation upon the Crown of the Empire of Sharona."


Now Chapter 35 of Hell Hath No Fury did in no way modify these, so strictly speaking Andrin has to marry a Uromathian Princess, not Prince

Clearly in light of this fact the treaty will need to be reworded


Not really, because the text assumes an "Issue" from that marriage. Not possible of same sexed marriage. Adoption isn't in the cards because of both inhereted talents and genetic lineage. The key point is "Royal", not "Imperial" princess. This means that a the Heir of Ternathia and Sharona must marry a princess born either to an Uromathian king or Emperor. It does not specify that the princess be an Uromathian Imperial Princess which would pretty much limit the options to Chava's line. Chava is the Emperor of Uromathia after all.

Whoever snuck that Royal descriptor into the language was both sneaky and subtle enough to slip it by Chava. Undoubtedly, Chava will not respond well to this tactical defeat.
Top
Re: Sort of snippet
Post by grendel_one   » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:21 pm

grendel_one
Captain (Junior Grade)

Posts: 262
Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:28 am

PeterZ wrote:Not really, because the text assumes an "Issue" from that marriage. Not possible of same sexed marriage.


Not their problem :D

She marries a princess and nothing happens, well too bad.
Top
Re: Sort of snippet
Post by PeterZ   » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:46 pm

PeterZ
Fleet Admiral

Posts: 5261
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:11 pm
Location: Colorado

Twisty. And the assumption that this union must provide heirs to prepetuate the dynasty?

Tha's a bit too cute for the way the story is headed.

grendel_one wrote:
PeterZ wrote:Not really, because the text assumes an "Issue" from that marriage. Not possible of same sexed marriage.


Not their problem :D

She marries a princess and nothing happens, well too bad.
Top
Andrin's marriage was: Sort of snippet
Post by Howard T. Map-addict   » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:54 pm

Howard T. Map-addict
Rear Admiral

Posts: 1392
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:47 am
Location: Philadelphia, PA

::a Naughty Moose replies::

Who says nothing happens?
Andrin marries a princess, ceremony and everything,
then they each go to their parents' home,
each takes a lover,
both get pregnant,
and their children fight for the Imperial Throne!

Of course, Chava claims that his daughter is the "wife"
in this marriage, Andrin is the "husband,"
so Chava's grandchild must be The True Heir!

Naughty Moose

grendel_one wrote:
PeterZ wrote:Not really, because the text assumes an "Issue" from that marriage. Not possible of same sexed marriage.


Not their problem :D

She marries a princess and nothing happens, well too bad.
Top
Re: Sort of snippet
Post by grendel_one   » Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:11 pm

grendel_one
Captain (Junior Grade)

Posts: 262
Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:28 am

PeterZ wrote:Twisty. And the assumption that this union must provide heirs to prepetuate the dynasty?


What about it? Even a more 'conventional' marriage isn't guaranteed to produce heirs.

If the prince had 'merely' been castrated instead of killed, what would have happened?

PeterZ wrote:Tha's a bit too cute for the way the story is headed.


Indeed, I'm sure that's not the way the story is going, but it's still fun to play the lawyer.
Top

Return to Multiverse