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Re: Gun control really, really works!
Post by Michael Everett   » Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:53 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:Do not forget that in spite of the proliferation of guns, the US has one of the lowest suicide rates in the industrialized world.

Is that because people who get depressed tend to pick fights and get shot, thus coming under "Manslaughter/Murder" rather than "Suicide"?

Seems legit.
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Re: Gun control really, really works!
Post by Daryl   » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:20 pm

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The whole concept of citizens holding assault weapons so they can change their democratically elected goverment by lethal force (if they disagree with it), is called patriotism in the US. Elsewhere it is treason and armed insurrection.
So you decide that the government is too far towards the dreaded socialist side, and gather friends to drive to Washington to start killing people? Lunacy.
Die like men with guns in your hands? Die like criminals trying to kill other citizens.
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Re: Gun control really, really works!
Post by gcomeau   » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:46 pm

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Daryl wrote:The whole concept of citizens holding assault weapons so they can change their democratically elected goverment by lethal force (if they disagree with it), is called patriotism in the US. Elsewhere it is treason and armed insurrection.
So you decide that the government is too far towards the dreaded socialist side, and gather friends to drive to Washington to start killing people? Lunacy.
Die like men with guns in your hands? Die like criminals trying to kill other citizens.


And that entire narrative is a modern right wing myth anyway. The Founders had a word for people who levied war against their own democratically elected government and that word was Traitor. Spelled it right out in Article 3 of the constitution.

And the first time some idiots thought their right to bear arms did entitle them to take those arms up against the government because it was "tyrannically" imposing taxes they didn't like Washington personally marched an army on them and sent their asses packing.
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Re: Gun control really, really works!
Post by The E   » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:27 am

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:If one subtracts the 2/3s of gun homicides committed by African Americans and an additional 1/4 of gun homicides committed by illegal aliens from Latin America, the homicide rate in the US is very normal compared to other developed countries.

Now come the pitchforks and torches of the politically correct imbeciles who are outraged by the alleged racism implied by simply speaking the truth.


I mean, you're the one claiming that african americans aren't US citizens.
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Re: Gun control really, really works!
Post by The E   » Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:40 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:Do not forget that in spite of the proliferation of guns, the US has one of the lowest suicide rates in the industrialized world.


I was curious to see how much bullshit that statement is, so I looked up some data.

Turns out, it's bullshit. The US has a suicide rate of around 13.8 suicides per 100k people, placing it at the high end of the first world countries behind Belgium, Japan and Korea (as well as a smattering of second- and third world countries). Most other major european countries have slightly to moderately lower rates; The US has, in fact, one of the highest suicide rates of the industrialized world.

Interesting aside: Did you know that about half of all suicides in the US are done using guns? While nothing is going to stop someone completely comitted to that path from killing themselves, I do wonder how many of those suicides could be prevented if it wasn't so easy to acquire tools designed with the express purpose of killing things quickly and easily.
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Re: Gun control really, really works!
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:49 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:Do not forget that in spite of the proliferation of guns, the US has one of the lowest suicide rates in the industrialized world.


I was curious to see how much bullshit that statement is, so I looked up some data.

Turns out, it's bullshit. The US has a suicide rate of around 13.8 suicides per 100k people, placing it at the high end of the first world countries behind Belgium, Japan and Korea (as well as a smattering of second- and third world countries). Most other major european countries have slightly to moderately lower rates; The US has, in fact, one of the highest suicide rates of the industrialized world.

Interesting aside: Did you know that about half of all suicides in the US are done using guns? While nothing is going to stop someone completely comitted to that path from killing themselves, I do wonder how many of those suicides could be prevented if it wasn't so easy to acquire tools designed with the express purpose of killing things quickly and easily.


My statement was based on out of date statistics. Eight years of enduring the Obama adminstration has caused suicide rates in the US to increase dramatically.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44416727

Obviously, a major factor is the proliferation of high capacity, semiautomatic pistols that enable people to shoot themselves again, again and again. This is particularly true when severely depressed people are shooting themselves in the back of the head repeatedly to commit the variation of suicide known as Arkanicide. Obviously; Hillary Clinton's campaign for the Presidency caused an Arkanicide epidemic.

Just for those of you who are unfamiliar with the term "Arkanicide."

http://theclintonbody.blogspot.com/2013/02/

The 4 Clinton bodyguards killed at Waco are particularly interesting. All 4 shot in the head with projectiles consistant with the rifles employed by the ATF sniperbteam who some how managed to fire three dozen rounds without hitting any of the Branch Davidians.
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Re: Gun control really, really works!
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:54 pm

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Michael Everett wrote:
TFLYTSNBN wrote:Do not forget that in spite of the proliferation of guns, the US has one of the lowest suicide rates in the industrialized world.

Is that because people who get depressed tend to pick fights and get shot, thus coming under "Manslaughter/Murder" rather than "Suicide"?

Seems legit.



Actually, my own comparative analysis of data conducted a few decades ago revealed that suicide rate plus homicide rate is very nearly a constant. Depressed people in Europe and Japan tend to commit suicide while depressed people in the US tend to commit murder. Mass shooting incidents often end with suicide or a confrontation with police or armed citizens that is lethal.
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Re: Gun control really, really works!
Post by Annachie   » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:20 pm

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Actually gc, the US civil war was the second. At least.
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Re: Gun control really, really works!
Post by Annachie   » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:30 pm

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Pretty sure Fly said this by accident.

"Depressed people in Europe and Japan tend to commit suicide while depressed people in the US tend to commit murder."

That one statement alone is justification for stricter gun control.


But I do like how it's Obama's fault that the US suicide rate started rising 19 years ago.
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Re: Gun control really, really works!
Post by Joat42   » Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:03 pm

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Annachie wrote:Pretty sure Fly said this by accident.

"Depressed people in Europe and Japan tend to commit suicide while depressed people in the US tend to commit murder."

That one statement alone is justification for stricter gun control.


But I do like how it's Obama's fault that the US suicide rate started rising 19 years ago.
Time travel for the win.

I wonder if increased suicide rates can be correlated to the rise of social media.

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