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Trump's Entire Identity Is A Fraud

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Trump's Entire Identity Is A Fraud
Post by gcomeau   » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:18 pm

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This got rather buried by the Kavanaugh excitement (and it says something when "president guilty of hundreds of millions of dollars in tax fraud" is a story that can get buried by all the other crap he is causing).... but this is a rather big deal.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... trump.html


Fraud #1: "I'm a self made man, I only got a 'small loan' of a million dollars from my dad and then built my fortune with my business genius!"

We all knew this was bullshit, but the degree to which it is bullshit is astounding. Based on the Times analysis of the financial documents they acquired Fred Trump transferred something like the current day equivalent of $400 Million dollars to Donald. That's where his fortune came from. Daddy.

If I got $400 million dollars in seed money from daddy I could make do pretty well too. No financial acumen required. As Trump has clearly demonstrated since he understands basic economic principles about as well as a trained chimp.

Remember, this was one of Trump's primary selling points on his presidential resume. And it was complete and utter BS.

Congratulations Trump supporters, you're suckers. You fell for Trump's one and only skill.

Absolutely Shameless Bullshitting Self Promotion.



FRAUD #2: They disguised the wealth transfer to Donald and his siblings as "maintenance payments" for repairs and equipment and upgrades to their properties using fake dummy corporations they set up to do fake work on those properties to avoid having to pay inheritance taxes on the wealth transfer.


FRAUD #3: They then also used the fake documentation of the fake work and the fake equipment to justify to the city jacking up the rental rates on their tenants for all the non existent improvements they never made... ripping off all of them as well. Because the Trump family is basically just one giant con job thieving enterprise whose only ethical principle is "if it makes a Trump richer it is good".


FRAUD #4: They also told WHOPPERS of lies about the values of their properties when reporting them for tax purposes.... not hedging a little on the low end, shaving 5 or 10 or 15% off their real value. No they reported they were worth over TEN TIMES less than they really were to avoid paying the taxes on them.


And this was not some kind of one off. This is how they did business for YEARS and YEARS. There is in fact no evidence they ever stopped, it was endemic through the entire time span of records the Times got access to... and the same people are still running things now. Guess why he refuses to release his tax returns despite promising he would do so if he got elected.
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Re: Trump's Entire Identity Is A Fraud
Post by Annachie   » Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:37 pm

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Said it before, and I'll say it again.

There's a reason that the Solicitor General is a specialist in campaign finance law, and had done little else before hand.
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Re: Trump's Entire Identity Is A Fraud
Post by smr   » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:21 am

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Election season...Yellow Journalism at it's best. Time will tell whether these accusations are baseless or truthful. The Russian Collusion Narrative is a dead issue. The Obstruction of Justice is a dead issue. Mueller is trying to go through Trump's companies records to acquire dirt! Trump's message must be terrifying to these people. Some months ago, people here on this forum were saying how "Stupid", the man is. Yet, he seems to win more often than naught! It's almost like the hand of God is upon the his shoulder or maybe the devil if you hate him.
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Re: Trump's Entire Identity Is A Fraud
Post by gcomeau   » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:53 am

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smr wrote:Election season...Yellow Journalism at it's best.


They publicly released all the records that prove their reporting.

Nobody has refuted their findings.

You're welcome to be the first. Hop to it smr. We'll wait.
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Re: Trump's Entire Identity Is A Fraud
Post by smr   » Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:14 pm

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It's one thing to mix some facts with accusations and innuendos but it's an entire differnt ball of wax to prove it in a court. So go prove it! Don't you think the Demoncrats would have done that already! The Demoncrats are down throwing the kitchen sink at Trump and he's still going strong. Must be all the those happy meals he eats to account for his stamina! :mrgreen:

gcomeau wrote:
smr wrote:Election season...Yellow Journalism at it's best.


They publicly released all the records that prove their reporting.

Nobody has refuted their findings.

You're welcome to be the first. Hop to it smr. We'll wait.
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Re: Trump's Entire Identity Is A Fraud
Post by gcomeau   » Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:19 pm

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smr wrote:It's one thing to mix some facts with accusations and innuendos but it's an entire differnt ball of wax to prove it in a court. So go prove it! Don't you think the Demoncrats would have done that already!


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/02/new-yor ... ticle.html


And there was no mixing of facts with "innuendos" in the times story. Just a straightforward analysis of what the documentation said.

Which, again, has been refuted by NOBODY in the entire time the story has been out, with all the supporting documentation available.



Not that you're going to care if they prove he's a fraud in court. You didn't before after all, head firmly buried in the sand as it is...


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white- ... nt-n845181
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Re: Trump's Entire Identity Is A Fraud
Post by smr   » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:15 am

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Have the Democrats prove it in court! It doesn't matter what I or you think.

gcomeau wrote:
smr wrote:It's one thing to mix some facts with accusations and innuendos but it's an entire differnt ball of wax to prove it in a court. So go prove it! Don't you think the Demoncrats would have done that already!


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/02/new-yor ... ticle.html


And there was no mixing of facts with "innuendos" in the times story. Just a straightforward analysis of what the documentation said.

Which, again, has been refuted by NOBODY in the entire time the story has been out, with all the supporting documentation available.



Not that you're going to care if they prove he's a fraud in court. You didn't before after all, head firmly buried in the sand as it is...


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white- ... nt-n845181
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Re: Trump's Entire Identity Is A Fraud
Post by Annachie   » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:24 am

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We know you don't understand how the law, and legal authorities work smr, but:

"New York state tax officials are investigating allegations detailed in an exhaustive New York Times investigation into Donald Trump and his family's business dealings."

This would be the first step to such a trial, should the investigation find it is warranted.

But, the reall telling point, at this stage, is the lack of a defamation suit response.
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Re: Trump's Entire Identity Is A Fraud
Post by smr   » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:32 am

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I happily await his conviction. So when does VP Pence take office? I will have drink for successful Presidency for 46. :lol:

Annachie wrote:We know you don't understand how the law, and legal authorities work smr, but:

"New York state tax officials are investigating allegations detailed in an exhaustive New York Times investigation into Donald Trump and his family's business dealings."

This would be the first step to such a trial, should the investigation find it is warranted.

But, the reall telling point, at this stage, is the lack of a defamation suit response.
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Re: Trump's Entire Identity Is A Fraud
Post by Annachie   » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:07 am

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Me too.

I might disagree with Pences policies, but at least he's competant and relatively honest.
smr wrote:I happily await his conviction. So when does VP Pence take office? I will have drink for successful Presidency for 46. :lol:

Annachie wrote:We know you don't understand how the law, and legal authorities work smr, but:

"New York state tax officials are investigating allegations detailed in an exhaustive New York Times investigation into Donald Trump and his family's business dealings."

This would be the first step to such a trial, should the investigation find it is warranted.

But, the reall telling point, at this stage, is the lack of a defamation suit response.
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