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The Absent Superpower
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:59 pm

TFLYTSNBN

For all of you butt hurt, Trump hating foreigners, I offer an explaination for why the US is abandoning its alliances and should do so.

https://www.amazon.com/Absent-Superpowe ... 099850520X

This book along with Ziehan's previous book:

https://www.amazon.com/Accidental-Super ... 1455583685

Explain why America is retreating from its entangling alliances and SHOULD do so.. Complaining about and insulting Trump and American conservatives does not address the reality that Australia, NZ and NATO simply are not worth defending from an American perspective.

As an annotation, I would point out that the "Bush Lied, People Died" rhetoric made neoisolationism imperative for America. I will not attempt to educate the uneducatable about WMD in Iraq. However; as a result of the backlash against Bush, the reality of massive nuclear prolifferation is unavoidable. Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philipines are among the nations that can obtain nukes and will probably do so. Welcome to your new neighborhood. Good luck keeping that continent to yourselves. Your nastiness which is so characteristic of almost all of America's security dependants simply alienates a vast spectrum of Americans while endearing you only to the leftwing that will not maintain America's military power.

If you are butt hurt about Trump refusing to take your frigging illegal immigrants off your hands, perhaps you should figure out how to handle the problem yourselves and not lecture the US about its immigration problems.
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Re: The Absent Superpower
Post by Annachie   » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:27 pm

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So you advocate the loss of the US ability to send it's subs anywhere, or monitoring of the US spy satelites?

To just pick two US bases in Australia from the top of my head.

Although, when you think about it, it would cut around 600 Billion from the US military budget. More probably, given the black elements.

After all, no need for aircraft carriers, no need for missile subs, Guam, spy planes or spy satelites.

Imagine, 10+% of the US budget actually going to capital works, health care, etc.
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Re: The Absent Superpower
Post by Daryl   » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:47 pm

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You do realise that wars started by the US or their proxies are the main cause of the world wide refugee problem?
"If you are butt hurt about Trump refusing to take your frigging illegal immigrants off your hands, perhaps you should figure out how to handle the problem yourselves and not lecture the US about its immigration problems."
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Re: The Absent Superpower
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:53 pm

TFLYTSNBN

Annachie wrote:So you advocate the loss of the US ability to send it's subs anywhere, or monitoring of the US spy satelites?

To just pick two US bases in Australia from the top of my head.

Although, when you think about it, it would cut around 600 Billion from the US military budget. More probably, given the black elements.

After all, no need for aircraft carriers, no need for missile subs, Guam, spy planes or spy satelites.

Imagine, 10+% of the US budget actually going to capital works, health care, etc.



Any function that is performed at a base in Australia can be performed elsewhere. Our subs in particular can go wherever they want.

Guam is US territory, not Australian.

Get your facts straight.
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Re: The Absent Superpower
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:56 pm

TFLYTSNBN

Daryl wrote:You do realise that wars started by the US or their proxies are the main cause of the world wide refugee problem?
"If you are butt hurt about Trump refusing to take your frigging illegal immigrants off your hands, perhaps you should figure out how to handle the problem yourselves and not lecture the US about its immigration problems."

I would actually agree with you on Syria and Libya.
Who was POTUS when the US stirred up those two shitstorm?
Hint, it wasn't the Billionaire with the bad hair and a smoking hot wife.
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Re: The Absent Superpower
Post by Annachie   » Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:59 pm

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Never said Guam was Australian, but as a forward base it looses all use.


You clearly have no clue whatsoever.

(But surely you must get the irony of a submarine communication base* named after a Prime Minister who disappeared at sea)

(*It's also a likely to be a key site for Trump's Space Force pew pew)
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Re: The Absent Superpower
Post by ywing14   » Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:32 am

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Still waiting on the Guamanians to decide what type of status they would like.
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Re: The Absent Superpower
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:06 pm

TFLYTSNBN

Annachie wrote:Never said Guam was Australian, but as a forward base it looses all use.


You clearly have no clue whatsoever.

(But surely you must get the irony of a submarine communication base* named after a Prime Minister who disappeared at sea)

(*It's also a likely to be a key site for Trump's Space Force pew pew)



Why would Guam loose all use?
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Re: The Absent Superpower
Post by Annachie   » Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:15 pm

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Guam's use is as a forward base for deployment.

No deployments (as was the suggestion) no need for the base.
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Re: The Absent Superpower
Post by Dilandu   » Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:23 pm

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It's just complete strategical idiocy. Those countries play important role in USA defense system. They provide "first echelon" of defense; any enemy that wanted to challenge USA on Pacific knew, that he would need to deal with those countries first, because they tied their mutual defense & essentially their survival with USA.

Basically this strategy advocates destroying all the US forward-based defense assets & retreating up to the Hawaii and Alaska in case of any kind of conflict. It would basically made any trans-pacific campaign for USA an order of magnitude more costly, not to mention that it would lead to complete collapse of any kind of "containment" strategy against China. The USN would not be able to "contain" the PLAN, if USN would be forced to rely on Hawaii and Alaska as closest safe havens. Moreover, considering modern weaponry, it might as well means that USN would be forced to actually operate from West Coast, since Alaska and Hawaii would probably be knocked out by continuous missile attacks.
Any function that is performed at a base in Australia can be performed elsewhere. Our subs in particular can go wherever they want.


Oh, indeed. So in case of war with China, the damaged USN sub would be forced to crawl all the way across Pacific to get into drydock. Of course, since there would be no "containment" of PLAN possible, said sub would probably be hunted and killed by PLAN ASW aircraft and submarines, running loose in Pacific. Because, you see, without bases and support facilities in Australia, and bases here, the USN surface fleet would be unable to operate near China coast for any prolonged period, and thus it would be impossible to block PLAN subs from breaking into Pacific.

Why would Guam loose all use?


Because Guam didn't have any industrial resources and as forward base its completely depended on supply lines. Which NORMALLY should go from Australia... but in your "scheme", they would be stretched all across Pacific up to US West Coast.

Not to mention, that Guam is well within the range of both Chinese IRBM and long-range cruise missiles, not to mention the bomber aircraft. So the Guam would probably be under continuous missile barrage from the first minutes of war, and be of little use.

(and considering that it is a military facility, it could always be just nuked without much escalation).
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