Time for the United States to withdraw from NATO?

Just a more recent article about the deteriorating relationship with Turkey.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/he ... page=0%2C1

Since Russia is no longer the USSR and the Warsaw Pact is no more, why should the United States continue to be entangled by the alliance?

And while you're leaving NATO, please also leave the WTO, UN, and all other international alliances you are part of. Also, please withdraw from any bi- or multilateral treaty you have signed. Then, in a few years, you can ask your chinese overlords how that worked out for you.

TFLYTSNBN wrote:Just a more recent article about the deteriorating relationship with Turkey.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/he ... page=0%2C1

Since Russia is no longer the USSR and the Warsaw Pact is no more, why should the United States continue to be entangled by the alliance?

The more I read your posts the harder it is to dismiss the idea that they are being posted from a location somewhere inside Russia...

The E wrote:And while you're leaving NATO, please also leave the WTO, UN, and all other international alliances you are part of. Also, please withdraw from any bi- or multilateral treaty you have signed. Then, in a few years, you can ask your chinese overlords how that worked out for you.

Trump is busy neutering China by rescinding the Brenton Woods free trade regime that has enabled China's export based economy to prosper. Of course Trump is doing the same thing to Germany which will only hasten the economic decline that is resulting from your demographic implosion.

gcomeau wrote:

TFLYTSNBN wrote:Just a more recent article about the deteriorating relationship with Turkey.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/he ... page=0%2C1

Since Russia is no longer the USSR and the Warsaw Pact is no more, why should the United States continue to be entangled by the alliance?

The more I read your posts the harder it is to dismiss the idea that they are being posted from a location somewhere inside Russia...

What do you expect from supporters of Putin's Poodle? Of course he is supported by the usual Kremlin trolls. Like any other troll, this one has been ejected from this forum twice and is just pushing to see how long until patience runs out and he gets ejected again. Then he'll be back again under another fake name to appeal to other poodles like SMR until he is cast out again.

gcomeau wrote:

TFLYTSNBN wrote:Just a more recent article about the deteriorating relationship with Turkey.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/he ... page=0%2C1

Since Russia is no longer the USSR and the Warsaw Pact is no more, why should the United States continue to be entangled by the alliance?

The more I read your posts the harder it is to dismiss the idea that they are being posted from a location somewhere inside Russia...

Europeans need to face the reality that a majority of Americans are neo-isolationist in sentiment. This is especially true of Americans who have traveled abroad and met you people. I have held isolationist sentiments ever since traveling through Europe and Israel back in 1984. My disdain for Europeans has been tempered only by a pragmatic understanding of the need to offset the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact.

American liberals are the only Americans who actually like Europeans but they are also intensely opposed to military adventurism. America's history and internal politics renders continuing entanglement with NATO impossible.

ksandgren wrote:


What do you expect from supporters of Putin's Poodle? Of course he is supported by the usual Kremlin trolls. Like any other troll, this one has been ejected from this forum twice and is just pushing to see how long until patience runs out and he gets ejected again. Then he'll be back again under another fake name to appeal to other poodles like SMR until he is cast out again.

This is the problem with the Weber Forums. Duckk will tolerate flaming from liberals but ban hammer conservatives who react to it.

Incidentally, I vividly recall how liberals such as yourself vilified President Reagan whose Star Wars initiative and other confrontations threw the Soviet Union onto the ash heap of history. Trump is not Putin's poodle. He is just smart enough to understand that avoidable conflict with Russia is not in America's interest.

Withdrawing from NATO and rescinding sales of F-35s to Turkey because Edrogen will reveal the technology to Russia is not being Putin's poodle.

TFLYTSNBN wrote:

gcomeau wrote:The more I read your posts the harder it is to dismiss the idea that they are being posted from a location somewhere inside Russia...

Europeans need to face the reality that a majority of Americans are neo-isolationist in sentiment. This is especially true of Americans who have traveled abroad and met you people. I have held isolationist sentiments ever since traveling through Europe and Israel back in 1984. My disdain for Europeans has been tempered only by a pragmatic understanding of the need to offset the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact.

American liberals are the only Americans who actually like Europeans but they are also intensely opposed to military adventurism. America's history and internal politics renders continuing entanglement with NATO impossible.

That was a fascinating fictional narrative you just spun there. Was it off a script or something?

In the meantime, in a place we call the Real World...

https://news.gallup.com/poll/204071/ame ... 20Alliance

TFLYTSNBN wrote:Trump is busy neutering China by rescinding the Brenton Woods free trade regime that has enabled China's export based economy to prosper. Of course Trump is doing the same thing to Germany which will only hasten the economic decline that is resulting from your demographic implosion.

Which economic decline is that? Our economy is growing, our Gini coefficient is still much better than yours, and we have a lot of markets in Asia and the middle east available to us once you withdraw.

Oh, and we have a reputation for stability. Can't really buy that for all the money in the world (but you can throw it away real quick if you're you).

TFLYTSNBN wrote:This is the problem with the Weber Forums. Duckk will tolerate flaming from liberals but ban hammer conservatives who react to it.

Yeah, see, that's more of an issue with you conservative types not being all that good at reacting properly to criticism. Out here, among adults, this constant game of making shitty points that are easily countered by actual information and then either complaining about the person making the point ("You're not american!", "You're just a liberal european!" etc) or quietly ignoring whatever point was made (see also: You in the CO2 thread, smr literally everywhere...) doesn't really make you seem like reasonable people, does it?

Incidentally, I vividly recall how liberals such as yourself vilified President Reagan whose Star Wars initiative and other confrontations threw the Soviet Union onto the ash heap of history. Trump is not Putin's poodle. He is just smart enough to understand that avoidable conflict with Russia is not in America's interest.

But equally avoidable conflict with your greatest historical allies based on Trump being an utter moron with no real idea of what a government does or is supposed to do is a good thing?

Also, if he's smart enough to avoid conflict with Russia by kowtowing to it, why is he not smart enough to lie more convincingly on pretty much every topic he's ever questioned about?

Withdrawing from NATO and rescinding sales of F-35s to Turkey because Edrogen will reveal the technology to Russia is not being Putin's poodle.

Destabilizing NATO, however, is.