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Re: Mad Maxine
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:26 am

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gcomeau wrote:

Almost NO ONE in the United States argues that most of the detsined immigrants entered the country legally. It is extremely easy to prove that one has a visa even if it has been lost.


Refugees seeking asylum are *not required* to have Visas when they enter the country they are seeking asylum in. They are only required to present themselves to authorities as asylum seekers once they make it into the country they are fleeing to. Which a great many of them are doing and then having their kids stolen from them anyway.

Want to rethink your claim?[/quote]

Nope!
Almost none of the illegals who are being detained "present themselves to the authorities". They get arrested while trying to sneak in.
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Re: Mad Maxine
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:34 am

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Actual US law pertaining to refugees.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refu ... m/refugees

Refugees are actually required to present themselves to a US consulate overseas for vetting and approval before entering the US. If approved as refugees they will actually get travel assistance.

May be you foreigners should become cognizant of US law prior to expressing your opinion in such an arrogant, insulting manner?
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Post by Donnachaidh   » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:19 pm

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You don't have much room to complain about anyone acting in arrogant and insulting manner.

TFLYTSNBN wrote:Actual US law pertaining to refugees.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refu ... m/refugees

Refugees are actually required to present themselves to a US consulate overseas for vetting and approval before entering the US. If approved as refugees they will actually get travel assistance.

May be you foreigners should become cognizant of US law prior to expressing your opinion in such an arrogant, insulting manner?
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Re: Mad Maxine
Post by gcomeau   » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:02 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:Actual US law pertaining to refugees.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refu ... m/refugees

Refugees are actually required to present themselves to a US consulate overseas for vetting and approval before entering the US. If approved as refugees they will actually get travel assistance.

May be you foreigners should become cognizant of US law prior to expressing your opinion in such an arrogant, insulting manner?


And maybe before you accuse others of arrogance and insult for calling yourattention to matters of reality you should do your homework first?

Like, for example, reading the UN Protocol on the treatment of refugees... to which the US is a signatory making it a binding part of US law according to the US Constitution, which states:



Article 31

Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee


1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.

2. The Contracting States shall not apply to the movements of such refugees restrictions other than those which are necessary and such restrictions shall only be applied until their status in the country is regularized or they obtain admission into another country. The Contracting States shall allow such refugees a reasonable period and all the necessary facilities to obtain admission into another country.



The reason for that being rather freaking obvious, people fleeing for their safety do not always have the time, resources, or ability to present themselves in an orderly fashion at a recognized checkpoint or border crossing.


So as I was saying.... they don't need freaking Visas. They just need to present themselves as refugees to the first border patrol or other officials they encounter after crossing the border.
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Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:25 pm

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gcomeau wrote:
TFLYTSNBN wrote:Actual US law pertaining to refugees.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refu ... m/refugees

Refugees are actually required to present themselves to a US consulate overseas for vetting and approval before entering the US. If approved as refugees they will actually get travel assistance.

May be you foreigners should become cognizant of US law prior to expressing your opinion in such an arrogant, insulting manner?


And maybe before you accuse others of arrogance and insult for calling yourattention to matters of reality you should do your homework first?

Like, for example, reading the UN Protocol on the treatment of refugees... to which the US is a signatory making it a binding part of US law according to the US Constitution, which states:



Article 31

Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee


1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.

2. The Contracting States shall not apply to the movements of such refugees restrictions other than those which are necessary and such restrictions shall only be applied until their status in the country is regularized or they obtain admission into another country. The Contracting States shall allow such refugees a reasonable period and all the necessary facilities to obtain admission into another country.



The reason for that being rather freaking obvious, people fleeing for their safety do not always have the time, resources, or ability to present themselves in an orderly fashion at a recognized checkpoint or border crossing.


So as I was saying.... they don't need freaking Visas. They just need to present themselves as refugees to the first border patrol or other officials they encounter after crossing the border.


The illegal immigrants who are being detained and deported are NOT presenting themselves to authorities to claim refugee status. They are crossing the border illegally and claiming to be refugees only if arrested.

Thank you for reminding me of one more reason why the US should be withdrawing from the UN as well as NATO.
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Post by gcomeau   » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:34 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:
gcomeau wrote:The reason for that being rather freaking obvious, people fleeing for their safety do not always have the time, resources, or ability to present themselves in an orderly fashion at a recognized checkpoint or border crossing.


So as I was saying.... they don't need freaking Visas. They just need to present themselves as refugees to the first border patrol or other officials they encounter after crossing the border.


The illegal immigrants who are being detained and deported are NOT presenting themselves to authorities to claim refugee status.


Yes. They are. They are asylum seekers.

FFS, they are even doing it to asylum seekers who DO enter at a legal checkpoint.... because their primary purpose is intimidating and terrorizing people to try to scare them away from making the attempt to come here. Because this administration is run by racist bigoted human scum.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immig ... ck-n886781
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Re: Mad Maxine
Post by smr   » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:59 pm

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Gcomeau, please quit lying or least get your facts correct!

TFLYTSNBN wrote:

gcomeau wrote:
The reason for that being rather freaking obvious, people fleeing for their safety do not always have the time, resources, or ability to present themselves in an orderly fashion at a recognized checkpoint or border crossing.


So as I was saying.... they don't need freaking Visas. They just need to present themselves as refugees to the first border patrol or other officials they encounter after crossing the border.



The illegal immigrants who are being detained and deported are NOT presenting themselves to authorities to claim refugee status.



Yes. They are. They are asylum seekers.

FFS, they are even doing it to asylum seekers who DO enter at a legal checkpoint.... because their primary purpose is intimidating and terrorizing people to try to scare them away from making the attempt to come here. Because this administration is run by racist bigoted human scum.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immig ... ck-n886781
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Post by Annachie   » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:35 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:Actual US law pertaining to refugees.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refu ... m/refugees

Refugees are actually required to present themselves to a US consulate overseas for vetting and approval before entering the US. If approved as refugees they will actually get travel assistance.

May be you foreigners should become cognizant of US law prior to expressing your opinion in such an arrogant, insulting manner?
You might want to actually quote the specific law to which you are refering too on that page because:

The page contains no laws but is a statement of intended procedure change, and does not appear to say anything about refugee's needing to turn up at a consulate first.
Nor do the links it offers to follow.
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Re: Mad Maxine
Post by gcomeau   » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:35 pm

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smr wrote:Gcomeau, please quit lying or least get your facts correct!


Please point to a fact I did not.
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Re: Mad Maxine
Post by smr   » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:20 pm

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1st Under Obama the border patrol was moved on an Average of 30 miles from the border. Most illegal immigrants pay money (thousands of dollars) to get into the US. Why are they not presenting themselves at a US Consulate or at a border crossing. Many the families are separated from the kids because they are not related to the kids. (Idiot: Gcomeau) They are given DNA tests. What happens to those children that are not related to the illegal immigrants. I wonder what the Coyotes are doing with those children.

My wife was raped and sold into prostitution when she came here. She was given drugs, beaten and raped by the coyotes and sold to a Mexican run whorehouse in Texas. I thank the Catholic Church for helping her escape and getting her clean. She was lucky that she did not get any incurable diseases. Now you know why I so hate Catch and Release. So Kiss my grits in that regard. Yes...I wife is a legal US citizen and she is very proud of that fact.
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