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by TFLYTSNBN » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:34 am | |
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... nt-charges
It appears that Al Gore is not the only AGW theologian who is a crazed sex poodle. |
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by Michael Everett » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:37 am | |
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...You're quoting the Guardian? Okay, for those unaware of the Guardian's stance, here's a summary.
So, to summarize, the Guardian is somewhat center-left liberal in outlook, although the term Anti-Tory is more appropriate. It survives relatively low sales due to having a trust fund that meets most of its costs, reducing its reliance on donations and advertisements. Since Trump has a background in private business, the Guardian is predisposed to disliking him due to their left-wing nature. That being said, the Guardian takes pride in confirming its facts (if not its spelling) although its opinion pieces are often rather blatant in promoting left-wing ideologies or trying to fight popular culture (Polly Toynbee being noted for her opinion columns devolving into rants on many occasions). I find it a sad reflection on the American news organisations that Fly has to resort to looking at the papers on this side of the Pond to get any idea of what's happening in his own country, especially since America is effectively of only secondary importance to all the papers here. ~~~~~~
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by TFLYTSNBN » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:45 pm | |
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You make erroneous, illogical deductions from limited information. I posted a link to only one article and chose to cite a European newspaper as a courtesy and to preclude rebuttals that I'm relying on some radical, right wing, antiglobalist source. From this you conclude that I cant find the same information in American media. May be you should do a bit of Googling before spewing? |
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by TFLYTSNBN » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:46 pm | |
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I'm still waiting for "The E" to respond to my extremely well documented rebuttal to his hysterical claim that AGW is causing an "unprecedented drought" in Pakistan.
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by The E » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:06 pm | |
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You mean that single study that only looked at a fairly limited dataset (importantly, a dataset starting after the first effects of agw already happened)? That's not "extremely well documented", that's (at best) "adequately sourced" (then again, this sort of exaggeration seems to be your thing). Anyway, reading through that study, I am not sure it actually invalidates anything I said. As it states, in the first paragraph of its introduction:
Now, granted, that study doesn't mention climate change at all. In fact, it doesn't go into any detail whatsoever about the causes, and there is no comparative element to the analysis at all (as in, the study makes no statement about the impact the various drought cycles have had on the country, what factors exacerbated or alleviated their impact). Further, in its conclusion, the authors specifically note that they don't actually have enough data to say that the cycle they saw actually exists. Fact of the matter is this: Pakistan is undergoing a process of urbanization. Urban areas, as is well documented, are hotter than their surrounding countryside; they have an increased water demand not just because of that, but also because of the demands of industry. If current climate trends hold, and Pakistan gets its share of the projected temperature increase, then the demands on its water supply will only increase overtime. Coupled with changes in weather patterns, the disappearance of the himalayan glaciers, this is a recipe for disaster; Throw in a not particularly stable government, nuclear weapons, and a long-standing animosity towards its neighbour countries, and some form of humanitarian disaster is practically guaranteed. Here, have some sources from reality that you can ignore: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... 809509002/ http://www.lead.org.pk/cc/basicguide_cl ... hange.html https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/ful ... 09.01237.x http://www.ipsnews.net/2018/02/impact-c ... t-threats/ |
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by TFLYTSNBN » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:22 pm | |
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You truly are intransigent aren't you? As the very well sourced study that I referenced documented with the best available data, the problem with Pakistan having a draught is not AGW causing a trend of less rain. The problem is a growing and increasingly urbanized population demanding more water that results in critical shortages during the cyclical dry years. What is truly hillarious is that one of the references that you cite hasan informative graph that acknowledges that increases in global temperatures began in 1860, nearly a century before CO2 increased allegedly (and probably partially) as a result of human use of fossil fuel. Why did climate get so much hotter from 1860 to 1960 before the biggest increases in CO2 occurred? Truly, truly pathetic. |
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by TFLYTSNBN » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:39 pm | |
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You are referencing USA TODAY? Good God, why not cite comic books as your authority.
As this really, really weak study acknowledges, The problem is not a trend in decreased precipitation. The alleged problem is glaciers melting and not storing ice. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/ful ... 09.01237.x Assuming that this is true, then the effect can be mitigated by increasing reservoir capacity. Spending a few billion to help Pakistan to build dams is far, far more cost effective for the US than eliminating fossil fuels. If the dams include hydroelectric generation, then that is a huge bonus for Pakistan. This is especially useful if it is predicated on nuclear disarmament. Seriously, your hysterical fear mongering is truly pathetic. Go change your underwear because you have obviously been loosing bowell as well as bladder control. The link between drought and alleged nuclear reactor safety is gratuitously inane and insane. |
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by Annachie » Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:59 am | |
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Actually Fly, monsoonal rain is hard to control or divert. Let alone trap in damns in useful locations.
Especially in a 3rd world country like Pakistan. Hell, they've been talking about it here in Oz for decades with no progress. But yeah, Pakistan is going to have to try. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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by isaac_newton » Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:09 am | |
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arf, arf as far as I am aware no-one is getting younger... now if you had said - the 'average age' is getting younger that would have been understandable... of course it could be because the average age of death is falling in the States... |
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by The E » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:12 am | |
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That's a link YOU made, Fly. Don't blame me for your bullshit. The link I was implying was between extended droughts, the resulting societal instability, and the increasing risk of war and that war going nuclear. |
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