2017

gcomeau wrote:
You can't just keep repeating it was a "POS" but have NO METRIC you are using to make that evaluation.

No, they lost their majority because there are vast swaths of people in the US like you. Who have NO IDEA what is going on in the health insurance system but just believe whatever ridiculous nonsense some Fox news segment host tells them. And that mob got whipped up into a frenzy over absurd fictional bullshit while the rest of the country got complacent with Obama elected and didn't turn out to vote.

Guess what's going to happen the next couple elections?

Keep drinking your coolaide.
Yes, there are swaths of Americans that disagree with your world view. Most of the ones that ousted dems were apolitical before Obamacare and similar policies. They were persuaded because the metrics they used told them they were worse off.

Your entire argument is that these people are too stupid to know what is good for them. AAMOF, that was the dem's arguement too. BAD startegy. Doesn't look like they are changing that strategy either.

PeterZ wrote:

gcomeau wrote:
You can't just keep repeating it was a "POS" but have NO METRIC you are using to make that evaluation.

No, they lost their majority because there are vast swaths of people in the US like you. Who have NO IDEA what is going on in the health insurance system but just believe whatever ridiculous nonsense some Fox news segment host tells them. And that mob got whipped up into a frenzy over absurd fictional bullshit while the rest of the country got complacent with Obama elected and didn't turn out to vote.

Guess what's going to happen the next couple elections?

Keep drinking your coolaide.
Yes, there are swaths of Americans that disagree with your world view. Most of the ones that ousted dems were apolitical before Obamacare and similar policies. They were persuaded because the metrics they used told them they were worse off.

Your entire argument is that these people are too stupid to know what is good for them. AAMOF, that was the dem's arguement too. BAD startegy. Doesn't look like they are changing that strategy either.

Yet another substanceless response. No data. No basis for your constant claims the ACA didn't work. Just pure appeal to emotion and opinion.

Because it's all you have.

gcomeau wrote:

PeterZ wrote:
Keep drinking your coolaide.
Yes, there are swaths of Americans that disagree with your world view. Most of the ones that ousted dems were apolitical before Obamacare and similar policies. They were persuaded because the metrics they used told them they were worse off.

Your entire argument is that these people are too stupid to know what is good for them. AAMOF, that was the dem's arguement too. BAD startegy. Doesn't look like they are changing that strategy either.

Yet another substanceless response. No data. No basis for your constant claims the ACA didn't work. Just pure appeal to emotion and opinion.

Because it's all you have.

No, there is data. Enough voters do not believe the law helps them. They voted out the party that implemented the law. How well any of us on this forum are persuaded or not is irerelevant. Understanding the motivations that drove that result is not the province of numbers and charts.

The bottom line is that these voters, who did not usually vote, voted in increasingly larger numbers after Obamacare was passed. Their personal experience motivated them to vote against the party that gave this POS law.

PeterZ wrote:

gcomeau wrote:Yet another substanceless response. No data. No basis for your constant claims the ACA didn't work. Just pure appeal to emotion and opinion.

Because it's all you have.

No, there is data. Enough voters do not believe the law helps them. They voted out the party that implemented the law. How well any of us on this forum are persuaded or not is irerelevant. Understanding the motivations that drove that result is not the province of numbers and charts.

The bottom line is that these voters, who did not usually vote, voted in increasingly larger numbers after Obamacare was passed. Their personal experience motivated them to vote against the party that gave this POS law.

So your "data" that the ACA didn't work is there are some people who THINK it didn't work, and they voted based on their ignorant misconception?

Yeah, that pretty much sums up the right in this country. Congratulations on illustrating my point.

The E wrote:

Imaginos1892 wrote:And stop expecting insurance to pay for EVERYTHING. Insurance doesn't work that way. Insurance ONLY works properly when used to pay for large but unusual expenses, NOT for expenses that everybody is expected to incur. 'Every-scratch-and-sniffle' insurance just adds overhead and invites corruption.

Except it doesn't. Except in Health Care, covering preventative measures and the little stuff ensures that small problems don't turn into large problems.

People are supposed to be bright enough to do that on their own without the nanny government holding their hands. Passing those expenses through government and/or insurance companies only increases them and invites corruption. Accountability usually gets lost along the way, too. Just like it did in the V.A.
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Governments can only print money. They can't make it worth anything.

gcomeau wrote:

PeterZ wrote:
No, there is data. Enough voters do not believe the law helps them. They voted out the party that implemented the law. How well any of us on this forum are persuaded or not is irerelevant. Understanding the motivations that drove that result is not the province of numbers and charts.

The bottom line is that these voters, who did not usually vote, voted in increasingly larger numbers after Obamacare was passed. Their personal experience motivated them to vote against the party that gave this POS law.

So your "data" that the ACA didn't work is there are some people who THINK it didn't work, and they voted based on their ignorant misconception?

Yeah, that pretty much sums up the right in this country. Congratulations on illustrating my point.

Disregarding the experience of those you disagree with is a good way to win elections. Please keep it up. The left's logic and data driven policies leading to Obamacare, Sanctuary cities and supporting false anti-cop narratives is simply killing the right in this country.

Those poor slobs like me; les Misérables, the Deplorables and the Battlers, need to disregard our experience and listen to your enlightened data and logic. That's our role in life, nicht war? We need to embrace the wisdom of our elites. Yeah, no.

gcomeau wrote:So your "data" that the ACA didn't work is there are some people who THINK it didn't work, and they voted based on their ignorant misconception?

Oh, yeah, like these misconceptions?

0bama wrote:You can keep your health-care plan!

Well, no, it turns out you can’t.

0bama wrote:You can keep your doctor!

Uh, no, you can’t do that either, in a lot of cases.

0bama wrote:It will reduce costs!

Actually, it did exactly the opposite for most people. Cost went up by 20% or more for over half the people affected, which was almost everybody EXCEPT those in the government.

When somebody crows about how great something is going to be 'for the rest of us' but refuses to have any part of it themselves, my first reaction is to suspect bullshit.

It was a disaster. They knew it would be a disaster. They just didn't expect it to be so obvious, so soon. They expected it to implode after 0bama was safely out of office, and hopefully replaced by another head-in-the-clouds liberal that could lie to herself and say it was working just fine.

I have a friend. She paid $330 a month before 0bamacare; now she pays $780 and it looks like it’s going up again. She’s 61 years old, she’s had a hysterectomy, and she has to pay for maternity and neo-natal care insurance. Madness!
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PeterZ wrote:

gcomeau wrote:So your "data" that the ACA didn't work is there are some people who THINK it didn't work, and they voted based on their ignorant misconception?

Yeah, that pretty much sums up the right in this country. Congratulations on illustrating my point.

Disregarding the experience of those you disagree with is a good way to win elections. Please keep it up. The left's logic and data driven policies leading to Obamacare, Sanctuary cities and supporting false anti-cop narratives is simply killing the right in this country.

Those poor slobs like me; les Misérables, the Deplorables and the Battlers, need to disregard our experience and listen to your enlightened data and logic. That's our role in life, nicht war? We need to embrace the wisdom of our elites. Yeah, no.

More appeal to emotion.

No data. No evidence.

Your entire worldview is based on nothing but your feelings isn't it? And you appear to be proud of the fact that many others share your total lack of regard for reality. Yay!

Imaginos1892 wrote:

gcomeau wrote:So your "data" that the ACA didn't work is there are some people who THINK it didn't work, and they voted based on their ignorant misconception?

Oh, yeah, like these misconceptions?

0bama wrote:You can keep your health-care plan!

Well, no, it turns out you can’t.

Sigh.

That statement, taken in context, was saying that THE ACA did not take anyone's health insurance plans away. Which it did not.

It was brain meltingly obvious he was not saying individual insurers could never discontinue or modify THEIR OWN health insurance plans. Which some of them did. Which idiots then started blaming on the ACA even though it had nothing to do with it.

0bama wrote:You can keep your doctor!

Uh, no, you can’t do that either, in a lot of cases.

See above.

0bama wrote:It will reduce costs!

Actually, it did exactly the opposite for most people. Cost went up by 20% or more for over half the people affected, which was almost everybody EXCEPT those in the government.

That is just a bald faced lie.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSQD8bnV4AA2ZaJ.jpg

It was a disaster.

And that is a fictional narrative with no basis in reality.

Unsourced anecdotes with no background information don't counter system wide statistical data.

gcomeau wrote:
More appeal to emotion.

No data. No evidence.

Your entire worldview is based on nothing but your feelings isn't it? And you appear to be proud of the fact that many others share your total lack of regard for reality. Yay!

Again you disregard what I posted. You insert what you think I said and then act as if i said it. Not helpful in understanding anyone. I pray yuou and your ideological compatriots continue this strategy in future elections.

What I said was that the aggregate experience of those folks adversely impacted by Obamacare resulted in their voting out the Dems. There was an upsurge of voters that did not vote regularly beginning in the elections after Obamacare was passed. TEA party was one element of this. Each of these folks had their own experiences to motivate them. In aggregate, they represented a large enough number to swing elections. They aren't being led by a svegali type into believing BS. They each are voting their experience.

So, please continue to disregard these voters and denegrate their experience as emotionally driven rubbish. Please continue to apease your and the left's need to feel superior. Feed your elitist ego. I pray that you continue.