PeterZ wrote:Annachie wrote:Said it before, and I'll say it again.
The only way to fix the American healthcare system is to literally buy the entire industry, rewrite the rules and restructure, then sell the appropriate bits back.
Obama care was an attempt to do socialized healthcare that was sabotaged by the US healthcare industry via the GOP.
The VA is a true abortion. It's not socialized healthcare, it's a government owned and run private healthcare system that follows the same ideology as the private system.
But then the US stopped giving a fuck about their soldiers years ago.
After all, it's about the only modern army where basic soldiers need welfare to live.
How did the GOP sabotage anything? They voted no. There were no amendments designed by any member of the GOP.
Holy crap...
Basically the *entire plan* was designed by the GOP. How can you possibly be this clueless about this subject?
Obama's decision was that in order to try to get health care reform passed he would massively compromise right out of the gate and just offer the GOP what was essentially
their own plan from the 90s and
their own Republican governor's plan from Massachusetts. Just so *something* could actually get done.
And then everyone in the GOP flipped 180 degrees and called it communism because Obama was the one offering it, and for
no other reason.
Here, here is a presentation of the Heritage Foundation proposal it was based on.
https://healthcarereform.procon.org/sou ... ricans.pdfLook familiar? Does it?
(I particularly like this part, some emphasis added by me)
The Heritage Foundation was established in 1973 as a non partisan, tax-exempt policy research institute dedicated to the principles of free competitive enterprise, limited government, individual liberty, and strong national defense...
THE HERITAGE PLAN
...
2) Mandate all households to obtain adequate insurance
Many states now require passengers in automobiles to wear seatbelts for their own protection. Many others require anybody driving a car to have liability insurance. But neither the Federal government nor any state requires all households to protect themselves from the potentially catastrophic costs of a serious accident or illness. Under the Heritage plan there would be such a requirement.
This mandate is based on two important principles. First, that health care protection is a responsibility of individuals, not businesses. Thus to the extent that anybody should be required to provide coverage to a family, the household mandate assumes that is it the family that carries the first responsibility. Second, it assumes that there is an implicit contract between households and society, based on the notion that health insurance is not like other forms of insurance protection. If a young man wrecks his Porsche and has not had the foresight to obtain insurance, we may commiserate but society feels no obligation to repair his car. But health care is different. If a man is struck down by a heart attack in the street, Americans will care for him whether or not he has insurance. If we find that he has spent his money on other things rather than insurance, we may be angry but we will not deny him services - even if that means more prudent citizens end up paying the tab.
A mandate on individuals recognizes this implicit contract. Society does feel a moral obligation to ensure that its citizens do not suffer from the unavailability of health care. But on the other hand, each household has the obligation, to the extent it is able, to avoid placing demands on society by protecting itself.
Who knew the conservative Heritage Foundation think tank was a communist organization in the late 80s and early 90s?????? I wonder if Reagan knew???
Dems had enough votes to pass the bill without the GOP. They designed it. They listened to the insurance companies. They took the bribes to vote yes for that POS. If you believe San Fran Nan, they didn't even read it until they passed the bill through Reconciliation.
Proves my Effing point.
Only if your point is that you are woefully misinformed about this entire subject.
