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Post by Daryl   » Fri May 19, 2017 6:52 pm

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Announced today that Julian Assange has had his rape charges dropped. Not sure how many remember but he was charged for not wearing a condom in consensual sex, by prosecuters despite the lady in question continuing to sleep with him for a week afterwards. He claimed it was a ploy to get him to Sweden where the US was waiting to extradite him. The US denied this.
However it now turns out that he was correct and if he steps out of the Ecuadorian embassy the US will extradite him from the UK.
Two problems with this for me. One is how is Wikileaks treated differently to other news outlets who also published stuff that embarrassed the US? Two is how can the US justify extraditing a citizen of another country because of actions he undertook outside the US?
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Post by Donnachaidh   » Fri May 19, 2017 7:01 pm

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Re-read what the Swedish prosecutor said, they can bring the charges again until the statue of limitations is up (2020). And the US has extradition treaties with the UK as well so there isn't that much of a need for him to be in Sweden before being extradited. And the investigation on Sweden started ~6 months before the Manning information was released by WikiLeaks.

As far as freedom of press protections for WikiLeaks, they do not behave as a news organization. They solely release information as they see fit with minimal verification of accuracy and little regard for the effects of releasing that information. They provide no valuable commentary nor do they attempt to provide a complete picture of what's happening.

Daryl wrote:Announced today that Julian Assange has had his rape charges dropped. Not sure how many remember but he was charged for not wearing a condom in consensual sex, by prosecuters despite the lady in question continuing to sleep with him for a week afterwards. He claimed it was a ploy to get him to Sweden where the US was waiting to extradite him. The US denied this.
However it now turns out that he was correct and if he steps out of the Ecuadorian embassy the US will extradite him from the UK.
Two problems with this for me. One is how is Wikileaks treated differently to other news outlets who also published stuff that embarrassed the US? Two is how can the US justify extraditing a citizen of another country because of actions he undertook outside the US?
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Re: Assange
Post by Daryl   » Fri May 19, 2017 9:50 pm

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Not questioning the legality of extradition treaties, and in cases such as child pornography I can see the ethical need, but in this case I fail to see any justification for the US to seek to extradite and try an other country's citizen for actions that weren't illegal in an other country. Don't like having embarassing information released, don't do embarassing things, and the US has no right to impose its law outside its borders.
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Post by Annachie   » Sat May 20, 2017 8:34 pm

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The Sweedish investigation was closed, then reopened after the US started to try and extradite him.

From memory the US extradition was stalled in the english courts at the time.

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Re: Assange
Post by Eyal   » Sun May 21, 2017 3:34 am

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Annachie wrote:The Sweedish investigation was closed, then reopened after the US started to try and extradite him.

From memory the US extradition was stalled in the english courts at the time.

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When did the US ever request his extradition? I can only find reference to an extradition request by Sweden...
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Re: Assange
Post by Annachie   » Sun May 21, 2017 9:39 am

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Bah, I must be thinking of all the crap around the Sweedish one.

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Re: Assange
Post by ZVar   » Sun May 21, 2017 6:44 pm

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Yea. If he was actually worried about extradition to the U.S. he never would have went to the U.K. They basically just rubber stamp all requests from the U.S. and mostly just rubber stamps request from any E.U. country.
When the rapist finally lost his last appeal, he them fled The U.K. to get around it.
He really can not leave the embassy now, because as soon as he does he will be sent to prison for contempt of court, which has no time limit.

Which brings another funny bit. If it was the CIA wanting him, like he claims, why has the embassy never caught spontaneous fire forcing everyone out?
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