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Re: What has Pres. Trump done wrong so far.
Post by smr   » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:19 am

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Lol...one, a rational person thinks the leaving out a whole lot of facts and truths that would change the argument and narrative of this alternative history speculation. Two, this speculation is extremely funny whether this argument is serious or in jest.

Michael Everett wrote:
Nimitz1923PD wrote:Anerica from its founding was is A Republic - Which means Socialists want mob rule to steal things that do not belong to them - You do not have that Right

Nimitz

IIRC, America started out Communist, not Republic. The Founding Fathers set up several Communes and promptly failed to grow enough food to see them through the winter, only the generosity of the local natives allowing the majority of them to get through to spring.
After that, the concept of Communism in America became rather disliked as the attempted implementation of it almost killed the country off before it could get started.
America started Communist (not Republic) and proceeded to eagerly embrace Capitalism as a result.

Annachie wrote:America is, or rather was, a socialist country. It's moving towards an Oligarchy which is a bad thing.

Given certain financial irregularities in Trump's business empire, America is now arguably on the verge of becoming a Kleptocracy like Russia...
...which Trump seems to admire given how he keeps trying to cut off investigations that happen to include the former Socialist State. Hmmm.....
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Re: What has Pres. Trump done wrong so far.
Post by Daryl   » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:03 am

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I'm glad that Nimitz1923PD has entered the fray, as SMR was seriously outgunned, both numerically and in other ways.
Do you pair not realise that by the standards of a century ago, all developed western countries are socialist democracies?
If there was a war against socialism, you lost.
Many get confused by equating socialism with totalitarianism.
One is a system to ensure that people don't starve in the street and all people have a chance to reach their potential.
The other is a nasty system of government whereby a dictator and his henchmen run the joint and ruthlessly maintain that power. A totalitarian society can evolve from either the far left or the far right, but is not a good thing. You can even argue that it isn't a good thing for those in charge. Ask Kim's uncle, oh sorry you can't.
As an outsider I won't debate as to the north American origins, except to point out that the first President of the US grew marijuana on his plantation using slaves, so don't come all pure with the rest of us.
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Re: What has Pres. Trump done wrong so far.
Post by Daryl   » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:27 am

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Love the comment "If you consistantly kill more of Your people than You replace & Import Islamic Crusaders".
Do you know who the Crusaders actually were? Plus how their rapacious behaviour created much of our current problems with the Islamic world?

Anyway to further the discussion about the dreaded socialism. Each year a number of hard headed organisations (IMF, OECD, Standard and Poor, Unesco, lots more) publish their lists of the -
Safest place to live
The happiest places to live
The richest average citizens
The longest life spans
Who won the birth lottery
Plus other similar lists

Now these organisations all use similar criteria but weight them differently in their calculations. At the end of the day a number of countries jostle for the top positions in each topic and overall. These countries always include the Scandinavians (Sweden, Denmark, Norway), Australasia (Australia and New Zealand), Canada, and Switzerland. The other western European countries (Germany, France and the UK), and the top Asians (Japan, Singapore and South Korea) make up the next lot. Followed by the other developed countries, including the USA.
From there you get to places like Russia and China.

The dreaded dead hand of socialism doesn't seem to have stifled initiative or productivity at all. What it does do is enable the factory hand's genius daughter to excel and contribute, the worker to be courageous in suggesting improvements to his boss, sick people to quickly be fixed and back at work, and all people to reach their optimum level no matter how low or high that is.
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Re: What has Pres. Trump done wrong so far.
Post by C. O. Thompson   » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:03 am

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dscott8 wrote:How much storage does this site have?

He's been gutting environmental protections, starting with allowing coal companies to once again dump their runoff right into streams of fresh water.

He sprang a surprise immigration executive order on the nation with little review and no regard for constitutionality. In fact, he fired the one member of his staff that had the courage to warn him about the problems.

He's had a Cabinet appointee resign to dodge scandal, another who perjured himself in a Congressional hearing, and got a "no thanks" from a professional soldier who called the job a "shit sandwich".

One of his first measures was aimed at clearing the way for a gold mining project in one of the last healthy Salmon spawning grounds (if that doesn't smack of pay back what does)

He continues to disrupt any attempts at fair and honest government.
Pardons convicted felons and cries about the FBI investigation into his own activities while firing the FBI directors and threatening Muller.

He decided we don't need a point to person to be ready for pandemic outbreak?

He still doesn't submit his tax returns for We the People
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... factsheet/

Despite his constant talk of secure borders, he's cutting the Coast Guard's budget, which will allow people to sail around his precious wall.

He's making policy based on conspiracy theories and spin-doctored Fox new snippets, like the phony Swedish "national security expert".

He's obsessed with stuff like his deficit in the popular vote and inauguration attendees, because he can't stand to come in second on anything. He also held a campaign rally after the campaign was over, just to bask his ego in adulation.

He held a sensitive national security discussion in the open at Mar A Lago, in front of salad-eating dinner guests with no need to know. (How many foreign governments have invested $200,000 per head in Mar A Lago memberships for the field operatives?)

Someone else take a turn, please.
Just my 2 ₡ worth
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Re: What has Pres. Trump done wrong so far.
Post by Joat42   » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:09 am

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Nimitz1923PD wrote:..snip..
Maybe when you Lefties start looking at countries You should look at the Total Population of that Country

Nimitz

I find it tragicomic that you think that anyone not sharing your worldview is a "leftist". It must be comforting to have that myopic vision of the world where you easily can place people in definite categories.

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Re: What has Pres. Trump done wrong so far.
Post by gcomeau   » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:45 am

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Nimitz1923PD wrote:Maybe when you Lefties start looking at countries You should look at the Total Population of that Country

Nimitz


Yeah, because that has anything to do with anything we're discussing... :roll:
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Re: What has Pres. Trump done wrong so far.
Post by Michael Everett   » Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:37 pm

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Nimitz1923PD wrote:Maybe when you Lefties start looking at countries You should look at the Total Population of that Country

Nimitz

Random (linked) fact.
The country with the smallest population in the world is also the country with the most power.
It is a [quote=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City]very small country[/quote] indeed with (depending on who you believe), between 450 to 1,000 citizens, yet millions of people follow the commands it gives out.
Interesting, huh?
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Re: What has Pres. Trump done wrong so far.
Post by Nimitz1923PD   » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:37 pm

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Michael Everett wrote:
Nimitz1923PD wrote:Maybe when you Lefties start looking at countries You should look at the Total Population of that Country

Nimitz

Random (linked) fact.
The country with the smallest population in the world is also the country with the most power.
It is a [quote=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City]very small country
indeed with (depending on who you believe), between 450 to 1,000 citizens, yet millions of people follow the commands it gives out.
Interesting, huh?[/quote]

Have You studied
The 1929 Latern Treaty?
In 1870 The Kingdom of Italy
attacked what was known then as
"The Papal States"
which had been around
for about 1,100 years


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Re: What has Pres. Trump done wrong so far.
Post by Annachie   » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:51 pm

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Nimitz1923PD wrote:
Have You studied
The 1929 Latern Treaty?
In 1870 The Kingdom of Italy
attacked what was known then as
"The Papal States"
which had been around
for about 1,100 years


Nimitz


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Re: What has Pres. Trump done wrong so far.
Post by smr   » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:54 pm

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Obviously Daryl you do not know the history of the Muslim religion before the Crusades. Well go look the history up because you sound incredibly stupid. They raped, killed, enslaved, and forcibly converted all those who disagreed with them and their religion. Most of the Middle East was Christian, Jewish, or worshiped a Pantheon of Gods. I am sure your aware of this but you know Officers have a way of forgetting facts or ignoring truths to win a point or achieve an objective. Now, I am saying that the response by the Christian were correct but sometimes their are no good options other than war. The Christians committed atrocities just like the Muslims did. No one was right or innocent on either side!
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