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Re: What has Pres. Trump done wrong so far.
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:29 am

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Joat42 wrote:
PeterZ wrote:link
She claims to be Cherokee and Delaware and her father's family didn't like that her mother was part Indian. Harvard touted her Native American roots based on those claims. She took a rest to prove her claims and instead of saying there are no markers to prove that heritage, she accepted a test that compared people whose ancestors lived a continent away from those she claimed ancestry from. I am sure she thinks all of us people of color are alike. What's the difference between Incas, Hopi, Navajo, Cherokee, Illini, Nez Perce or Iriquoi? Their genes can't be that different. We're all alike after all, we non-whites.

Bottom line is that testing her DNA against Native South and Central Americans doesn't prove her claims that she is descended from Cherokees and Delawares. Furthermore, having that minute level of non Caucasian DNA doesn't make her a person of color she advertised herself as being.

Fauxcahantas failed. But please, continue to argue the point and poss off more minorities.

The intellectual dishonesty and disconnect is fascinating. You try to rip Warren to shreds and call her derogatory names because she said that according to her family history she has native Indian ancestry (which the DNA test essentially proves) but you let Trumps glaring lies pass and even defends them as the truth.

Why is that?

Why do Trump supporters assign derogatory names to political opponents and specifically when the opponents are women?

Are you threatened by women in power?

Does it make you feel better about yourself?

Why don't Trump supporters want to be held to the same standards as they require of others?



I voted for McCaine in 2008 with the hope that he would die giving us President Palin. It is the ideals and the intellect that are important, not the genitals.
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Re: What has Pres. Trump done wrong so far.
Post by Joat42   » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:44 am

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PeterZ wrote:..snip..

Until then I choose to ridicule any group that engages in violence (Portland, Berkley and the assorted Trump rallies) to promote their political goals. Last time the left did this, back in 68, it didn't work out well. I hope they keep it up and lose even more representation via the ballot box. I will certainly heap whatever ridicule I can on those efforts from the proggies, Proglodytes and outright masked thugs on the left.

Why don't you ridicule the right wingers that engages in violence then since they stand for the majority of ideological violence in the US?

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Re: What has Pres. Trump done wrong so far.
Post by edgeworthy   » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:45 am

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Meanwhile it's okay to claim Irish descent if your grandmother 16 generations back was Irish, but if a liberal and a woman to boot does it it's outrage galore...

To be fair the Irish Government does seem to have a very broad definition of what qualifies as Irish ... once had a friend who changed flights at Shannon seems to be about the modern criteria.

I'm technically Irish enough to qualify for a Passport, a bit Scottish, maybe, quite possibly Gypsy (Or as family history puts it "A bunch of Intinerant Horse Thieves") and the family name is French, more probably Gascon*. How French I am is un-certain since it first turns up in the Parish records by the 13th century.
Although its also a Department in Brittany, a Place in Wales, an Old Norse term for dried animal waste used as fuel, and the name a Native American Tribe. So who knows!?

(*The Mediterranean ancestry probably accounts for the occasional dark hue, as opposed to most of the family who are so pale that they barely show up on the visible light spectrum)
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Re: What has Pres. Trump done wrong so far.
Post by noblehunter   » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:53 am

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edgeworthy wrote:I'm technically Irish enough to qualify for a Passport, a bit Scottish, maybe, quite possibly Gypsy (Or as family history puts it "A bunch of Intinerant Horse Thieves") and the family name is French, more probably Gascon*.


So mostly settled and unsettled horse thieves with a French last name?
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Re: What has Pres. Trump done wrong so far.
Post by PeterZ   » Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:15 am

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Joat42 wrote:
PeterZ wrote:..snip..

Until then I choose to ridicule any group that engages in violence (Portland, Berkley and the assorted Trump rallies) to promote their political goals. Last time the left did this, back in 68, it didn't work out well. I hope they keep it up and lose even more representation via the ballot box. I will certainly heap whatever ridicule I can on those efforts from the proggies, Proglodytes and outright masked thugs on the left.

Why don't you ridicule the right wingers that engages in violence then since they stand for the majority of ideological violence in the US?


Went to ADL site and couldn't find the data supporting your chart. I do find it interesting that the Pulse Nightclub shooting wasn't included in these numbers. There were 50 people dead there but your chart only has 1 person murdered by Islamists that year.

Makes me wonder what criteria the ADL used to classify the various types of murders, including what constitutes White Supremacists driven murders. I do not support that sort of bigoted idiocy. Just as I don't support bigoted idiocy from the left. I do have issues with classifying White Supremists as Right Wing. Many of those idiots believe in a strong central state that provides a thorough social safety net. That sounds like socialism to me, so why automatically classify them as right wing? Racism isn't just the province of one political group.
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Re: What has Pres. Trump done wrong so far.
Post by PeterZ   » Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:36 am

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noblehunter wrote:
PeterZ wrote:Progressives have been calling conservatives names well before Trump. Annachie has his preferred pejorative sense for conservatives. Fucktards was the most recent used. When progressives denounce their Proglodytes in Antifa and BLM engaged in mob behaviour, perhaps I'll refrain from using my own pejoratives. Of course they will likely still lie about conservatives and have the MSM support those lies. The ad ran against Romney when he ran against with a Ryan lookalike show actually pushing an old lady in a wheelchair off of cliff comes to mind. Non MSM reporter denounced that piece of crap. Or the claim in prior campaigns that we wanted to starve children. Then there is the knee jerk perjoratives of racist, sexist and homophobe. So the left has been free to define their opposition however hey wish and when the opposition gains traction with our definitions of the left, you cry foul. So, again, when the left muzzles their Proglodytes, I'll consider refraining from the use of pejoratives.

Until then I choose to ridicule any group that engages in violence (Portland, Berkley and the assorted Trump rallies) to promote their political goals. Last time the left did this, back in 68, it didn't work out well. I hope they keep it up and lose even more representation via the ballot box. I will certainly heap whatever ridicule I can on those efforts from the proggies, Proglodytes and outright masked thugs on the left.


Just so you know, it makes you sound like a not-too-bright twelve-year-old.

Just so you know, I don't care. Progressives heap pejoratives on their opponents so should expect pejoratives to be returned. Since simple disagreement with the progressive is enough to become demonized, why engage in conversation at all? There is no point. All that is left is to defeat the progressive at the ballot box. Heaping ridicule on the most egregious examples of their idiocy e.g. Fakeajawea, Fauxcahantas, Lieawatha or the proglodytes of antifa helps to crystalize the sine qua non of that idiocy in a memorable way. That and the excellent economy should be enough to win in the midterms.
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Re: What has Pres. Trump done wrong so far.
Post by C. O. Thompson   » Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:40 am

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Annachie wrote:Given that the test showed exactly that, that she had "Indian" dna, exactly what is wrong?

She met every requirement of his "bet", and, as expected,

Trump is welching.
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The question raised brings focus on the "One Drop" aspect of laws found only in the USA...

"Based on DNA and historical evidence, Thomas Jefferson is widely believed to have fathered the six mixed-race children of his slave Sally Hemings; four survived to adulthood. Hemings was three-quarters white by ancestry and a half-sister of Martha Wayles Jefferson.[quote 1] Their children were born into slavery because of her status; as they were seven-eighths European in ancestry, they were legally white under Virginia law of the time.[6] Jefferson allowed the two oldest to escape in 1822 (freeing them legally was a public action he elected to avoid); the two youngest he freed in his 1826 will. Three of the four entered white society as adults, and all their descendants identified as white.[6]

Although racial segregation was adopted legally by southern states of the former Confederacy in the late 19th century, legislators resisted defining race by law as part of preventing interracial marriages. In 1895 in South Carolina during discussion, George D. Tillman said,

It is a scientific fact that there is not one full-blooded Caucasian on the floor of this convention. Every member has in him a certain mixture of... colored blood...It would be a cruel injustice and the source of endless litigation, of scandal, horror, feud, and bloodshed to undertake to annul or forbid marriage for a remote, perhaps obsolete trace of Negro blood. The doors would be open to scandal, malice, and greed.[7]

The one-drop rule was not adopted as law until the 20th century: first in Tennessee in 1910 and in Virginia under the Racial Integrity Act of 1924 (following the passage of similar laws in several other states).
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Further information: Lineal descendant and Blood quantum laws

In the early colonial years, children born of one Indigenous and one non-Native parent usually had a white father and an Indigenous mother. This was largely due to the majority of the early colonists being male. In many Native American communities, these children are considered citizens of the mother's nation if they are raised in the culture and participate in the daily life of the community. This is particularly the case in matrilineal tribes, where if the mother is a citizen of the nation, so are all her children, no matter who the father may be. Among patrilineal tribes, such as the Omaha, historically a child born to an Omaha mother and a white father could belong officially to the Omaha tribe only if the child were formally adopted into it by a male citizen.[note 1] In contemporary practice, tribal laws around citizenship and parentage can vary widely between nations. "

"Issues related to blood quantum laws

Many Native Americans have become used to the idea of "blood quantum".[2] The blood quantum laws have caused problems in Native American families whose members were inaccurately recorded as having differing full or partial descent from particular tribes.[2][6][9] In some cases, family members or entire families have been excluded from being enrolled as members of their tribe even when they have no non-Native American ancestors.[4][6] "

As I understand it, Elizabeth Warren is not applying for membership in a tribe... nor was she asking for benefits from the US government... she only pointed out that one of her ancestors was an indigenous person.

Related history most whites would like to bury
https://daily.jstor.org/the-little-know ... can-women/

President Trump let his racism and mouth run wild and rather than shutting up (as if he knew how to) he is doubling down.
The man has no regard for anyone not named Trump.
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Re: What has Pres. Trump done wrong so far.
Post by PeterZ   » Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:47 am

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Joat42 wrote:
Why do Trump supporters assign derogatory names to political opponents and specifically when the opponents are women?

Are you threatened by women in power?



TFLYTSNBN wrote: I voted for McCaine in 2008 with the hope that he would die giving us President Palin. It is the ideals and the intellect that are important, not the genitals.

Hillary Clinton and her husband are corrupt politicians worthy of ridicule regardless of their genders. A non-minority woman of wealth and prestige who falsely claims minority status for her advantage is worthy of ridicule.

Pray tell why did the left ridicule Paula Jones and Juanita Broaddrick for justly accusing the former president of sexual assault? Are you affraid sexual assault victims?
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Re: What has Pres. Trump done wrong so far.
Post by PeterZ   » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:10 pm

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C. O. Thompson wrote:
As I understand it, Elizabeth Warren is not applying for membership in a tribe... nor was she asking for benefits from the US government... she only pointed out that one of her ancestors was an indigenous person.

Related history most whites would like to bury
https://daily.jstor.org/the-little-know ... can-women/

President Trump let his racism and mouth run wild and rather than shutting up (as if he knew how to) he is doubling down.
The man has no regard for anyone not named Trump.

What is at issue is that she claimed minority status professionally prior to becomming senator, when she had no more Native American blood in her than any other averge white person. She had no advantage in that respect yet claimed she had.

The DNA test proves she has some amount of background Native American DNA as is in any other white person. The samples used does not support what type of background Native American ancestry she has. It does not prove her claims of Cherokee and Delaware ancestry (even if she isn't trying to become a tribal admission).

When Harvard claimed she was a person of color and the other faculty members were not, that implies she is more of color than other white professors. That is not true.

Based on that, I don't believe trump should pay on his bet. If she takes a test that compares her DNA with an appropriate sample, she may well get results that support her claims. Until then its Lieawatha.
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Re: What has Pres. Trump done wrong so far.
Post by gcomeau   » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:50 pm

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PeterZ wrote:
C. O. Thompson wrote:
As I understand it, Elizabeth Warren is not applying for membership in a tribe... nor was she asking for benefits from the US government... she only pointed out that one of her ancestors was an indigenous person.

Related history most whites would like to bury
https://daily.jstor.org/the-little-know ... can-women/

President Trump let his racism and mouth run wild and rather than shutting up (as if he knew how to) he is doubling down.
The man has no regard for anyone not named Trump.

What is at issue is that she claimed minority status professionally


She claimed Native American Heritage.

Which she was told she had.

Which the test confirms.


prior to becomming senator, when she had no more Native American blood in her than any other averge white person.


Mean results of the test says about 3 times more.

Of course "more or less than average" is irrelevant. She only said she had it and she does, not that she had more than everyone else.


The DNA test proves she has some amount of background Native American DNA as is in any other white person.


No, not the same, unless you assume the low end of the error bars on the test are where she actually is which is an unfounded biased assumption. The middle of the range of the test result says she has several times more.

Again, NOT THAT THAT MATTERS.

The samples used does not support what type of background Native American ancestry she has. It does not prove her claims of Cherokee and Delaware ancestry (even if she isn't trying to become a tribal admission).


The test can't prove that without a large enough sample from those specific tribes which they will not provide. But the test is consistent with her claim and corroborates her position.

When Harvard claimed she was a person of color and the other faculty members were not, that implies she is more of color than other white professors. That is not true.


Except the test says it was true. And if what upsets you is that Harvard didn't have a high enough standard for HOM MUCH more she had to be before they made a thing out of it take it up with Harvard.


Based on that, I don't believe trump should pay on his bet.


Based on all that stuff that had nothing to do with the bet you mean?
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