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The Trump Administration's War With Reality

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Re: The Trump Administration's War With Reality
Post by noblehunter   » Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:16 am

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I've seen other people complaining about how the Democrats refused to support the bill. Nevermind that they've spend 8 years defending the GOP for not voting for the ACA. Now the Dems are terrible and awful for toeing the party line.
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Re: The Trump Administration's War With Reality
Post by gcomeau   » Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:52 am

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noblehunter wrote:I've seen other people complaining about how the Democrats refused to support the bill. Nevermind that they've spend 8 years defending the GOP for not voting for the ACA. Now the Dems are terrible and awful for toeing the party line.



Yup. The GOP argument:

"Hey Democrats, we're trying really hard to destroy the health insurance overhaul you worked so hard on passing and replacing it with something almost the entire country *hates* that will screw over millions of people.

Please put your names on it so we don't take all the blame."


Yeah, hard to see how the Democrats didn't go for that one... :roll:
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Re: The Trump Administration's War With Reality
Post by gcomeau   » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:48 pm

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Trump trying to take credit for stuff that happened on Obama's watch *yet again*... is this his only move?

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/t ... it-n739476


While Trump was quick to take credit for the investment, the plan is "consistent with what we announced previously," Joe Hinrichs, Ford's President of the Americas, told NBC News, noting that all three projects were in the works well before Trump took office — the largest, involving an $850 million assembly plant investment, approved as part of a deal with the United Auto Workers Union in 2015.
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Re: The Trump Administration's War With Reality
Post by Tenshinai   » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:25 am

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Just as a sidenote:
https://wikileaks.org/cia-france-electi ... /releases/
About the standards of US election tampering in other nations and its massive use of national intelligence agencies for industrial espionage.


Apparently, the number of US interference in other nations elections now number over 80 that has been proven over the last century, with suspected being several times higher.


Does USA have any supposed "allies" that they´re not spying on as if they were non-friendly?
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Re: The Trump Administration's War With Reality
Post by gcomeau   » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:35 pm

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Trump demands vote on ACA repeal and replace:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/us/p ... .html?_r=0

After vote fails, within a week Trump declares he never wanted a vote at all:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/t ... ote-tweets



There is no reality Trump will not deny without a second thought... and expect his followers to just blindly believe it.
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Re: The Trump Administration's War With Reality
Post by biochem   » Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:58 pm

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gcomeau wrote:Trump demands vote on ACA repeal and replace:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/us/p ... .html?_r=0

After vote fails, within a week Trump declares he never wanted a vote at all:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/t ... ote-tweets



There is no reality Trump will not deny without a second thought... and expect his followers to just blindly believe it.


Actually that won't hurt him much. His voters don't blame him for aca repeal, that was always a republican thing not a trump thing. Had he succeeded it would help his reputation as a deal maker but the failure (or to be more accurate, the delay since they are still working on it behind the scenes) doesn't really hurt him that much.

Where he really MUST deliver is the blue collar economy particularly in the pivot counties. Second to that he needs a wall of some sort so he can declare victory on the wall promise. The question with the wall is going to be what counts as a victory. Everything Trump says is a wild exaggeration and few of his supporters expected him to build the Great Wall of China along the entire thing. So the open question is how much of a wall is good enough for the pivot counties to call it good. The border patrol has given Trump a list of sites that are problematic and are geographically amenable to a wall. We'll have to wait and see if they count that as enough.
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Re: The Trump Administration's War With Reality
Post by gcomeau   » Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:20 am

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biochem wrote:
gcomeau wrote:Trump demands vote on ACA repeal and replace:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/us/p ... .html?_r=0

After vote fails, within a week Trump declares he never wanted a vote at all:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/t ... ote-tweets



There is no reality Trump will not deny without a second thought... and expect his followers to just blindly believe it.


Actually that won't hurt him much. His voters don't blame him for aca repeal, that was always a republican thing not a trump thing.



Rather missing the point.


I happen to agree, it won't hurt him much. His supporters never have given a crap about his pathological lying... and they will be perfectly happy to blame "the establishment".


The point is, lying is the man's first instinctive reaction to absolutely *every* encounter with any scrap of reality that doesn't fit his narrative. No matter how large or small the issue, no matter how consequential or petty, no matter how blatantly obvious the lie. He can't help himself. It's his reflexive go to move.

Trump is incapable of processing failure or error. So faced with it he simply slips instantly into reality denial mode. Like always.

Maybe ok in a dumbass rich boy reality TV star accustomed to being shielded from consequences and surrounded by people he pays to stroke his ego...

Not a great trait in a national leader.
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Re: The Trump Administration's War With Reality
Post by gcomeau   » Tue May 16, 2017 10:01 am

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Day in the life of a Trump supporter, Twitter edition:

McMaster and Tillerson were there!!! They said on the record it never happened! FAKE NEWS WASHINGTON POST!

https://mobile.twitter.com/johncardillo ... 6951691264



Doesn't get more absolute than McMaster saying it didn't happen!

https://mobile.twitter.com/johncardillo ... 6733873154



(Trump throws morning Twitter tantrum, undermining every official he sent out to lie for him yesterday)

Nothing to see here! All good! No problems whatsoever!

https://mobile.twitter.com/johncardillo ... 7054298112
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Re: The Trump Administration's War With Reality
Post by Annachie   » Tue May 16, 2017 1:19 pm

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Was McMaster the one who offered a strong denial of something that wasn't actually reported?

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Re: The Trump Administration's War With Reality
Post by biochem   » Tue May 16, 2017 7:30 pm

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gcomeau wrote:Day in the life of a Trump supporter, Twitter edition:

McMaster and Tillerson were there!!! They said on the record it never happened! FAKE NEWS WASHINGTON POST!

https://mobile.twitter.com/johncardillo ... 6951691264



Doesn't get more absolute than McMaster saying it didn't happen!

https://mobile.twitter.com/johncardillo ... 6733873154



(Trump throws morning Twitter tantrum, undermining every official he sent out to lie for him yesterday)

Nothing to see here! All good! No problems whatsoever!

https://mobile.twitter.com/johncardillo ... 7054298112



Actually all involved claim that Trump shared intel with the Russians. The question is did he overshare? Nothing in Trump's Twitter feed addresses that question, he just says that he shared info.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtrump
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