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Re: NOT! Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by PeterZ   » Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:06 pm

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Howard T. Map-addict wrote:Mike Pence is Trump's Impeachment Insurance.
As long as Pence is Heir, Senate Democrats will be *very*
reluctant to vote to convict Trump of an impeachable
offense.

Really. Most of us Democrats believe that Pence would
govern worse than Trump now does.
(Of course, for "worse" read "more of a Republican.")
One obvious example: gay marriage.

As for Congressional Republicans,
they credit Trump with saving the Senate for them,
and maybe even the House. They feel in his debt for that.
Besides, he is doing very much of what they want done.

As for the Enomulents (sic) Clause, it gives Congress the
Constitutional Right to exempt him from it.
They might do just that, or they might keep it "on offer"
to hold over his head, so he won't turn into a Democrat.


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cthia wrote:You misunderstand me. I am not calling for his impeachment, I am simply predicting it.


I hope so. Internal competition between branches of government is sooooooo nice! Keeps them all honest.
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Re: NOT! Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by Michael Everett   » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:04 am

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PeterZ wrote:I hope so. Internal competition between branches of government is sooooooo nice! Keeps them all honest.

Pre- and during WWII. Japanese Armed Forces.
Due to having to compete for extremely limited resources, the Army and Navy hated each other so much that they actively sabotaged each others projects and were even known to assassinate the other's generals/admirals.

Not something that sounds very honest to me...
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Re: NOT! Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by PeterZ   » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:11 am

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Michael Everett wrote:
PeterZ wrote:I hope so. Internal competition between branches of government is sooooooo nice! Keeps them all honest.

Pre- and during WWII. Japanese Armed Forces.
Due to having to compete for extremely limited resources, the Army and Navy hated each other so much that they actively sabotaged each others projects and were even known to assassinate the other's generals/admirals.

Not something that sounds very honest to me...

Different countries different traditions. The US was predicated on co-equal branches of government offsetting excesses in any one branch. Getting back to that would be a good thing for us.
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Re: NOT! Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by dscott8   » Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:10 am

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Howard T. Map-addict wrote:Mike Pence is Trump's Impeachment Insurance.
As long as Pence is Heir, Senate Democrats will be *very*
reluctant to vote to convict Trump of an impeachable
offense.

<snip>


The argument that impeaching Trump would bring the horrors of Pence doesn't wash. Pence may be an incompetent zealot, but at least he's sane. Trump is a loose cannon and a huge embarrassment to the nation. He has no ability to consider the consequences of his actions. Based on his years of running a privately held company, he thinks his word is law, so he dodges Congress, trying to rule by executive orders, and does not recognize the judiciary's power and duty to rein in his disregard for the law. He sets policy based on snippets from Breitbart and Infowars, going so far as to dump the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National Intelligence from the Security Council while adding the unqualified and unstable Bannon. Trump is a clueless bully who has surrounded himself with a mix of profiteers, zealots and conspiracy theorists. He is too dangerous to be President.

Pence may have some disagreeable axes to grind, but he can be convinced to acknowledge the rule of law and the system of checks and balances.
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Re: NOT! Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by cthia   » Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:44 pm

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dscott8 wrote:
Howard T. Map-addict wrote:Mike Pence is Trump's Impeachment Insurance.
As long as Pence is Heir, Senate Democrats will be *very*
reluctant to vote to convict Trump of an impeachable
offense.

<snip>


The argument that impeaching Trump would bring the horrors of Pence doesn't wash. Pence may be an incompetent zealot, but at least he's sane. Trump is a loose cannon and a huge embarrassment to the nation. He has no ability to consider the consequences of his actions. Based on his years of running a privately held company, he thinks his word is law, so he dodges Congress, trying to rule by executive orders, and does not recognize the judiciary's power and duty to rein in his disregard for the law. He sets policy based on snippets from Breitbart and Infowars, going so far as to dump the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National Intelligence from the Security Council while adding the unqualified and unstable Bannon. Trump is a clueless bully who has surrounded himself with a mix of profiteers, zealots and conspiracy theorists. He is too dangerous to be President.

Pence may have some disagreeable axes to grind, but he can be convinced to acknowledge the rule of law and the system of checks and balances.


"You are wrong there buddy. Simply wrong. Wrong. Wrong."


"I know what checks and balances are. I sign my checks and Ivanka balances my books. Okay!"

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Re: NOT! Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by PeterZ   » Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:56 pm

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cthia wrote:
"You are wrong there buddy. Simply wrong. Wrong. Wrong."


"I know what checks and balances are. I sign my checks and Ivanka balances my books. Okay!"


Fake news! Everyone knows that Jared Kushner balances his books.
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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by Annachie   » Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:15 pm

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Trump doesn't dodge congress with the EO's. He dodges the lawyers who might tell him what's wrong with the EO's.

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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by PeterZ   » Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:33 pm

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Annachie wrote:Trump doesn't dodge congress with the EO's. He dodges the lawyers who might tell him what's wrong with the EO's.

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That's funny and believable if unlikely to be true.
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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by Annachie   » Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:35 pm

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They actually admitted to not showing the immugration EO to the OGE or the AG, the two legal departments in the White House whose job it is, in part, is to say if an EO is legal or not.

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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by PeterZ   » Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:44 pm

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Annachie wrote:They actually admitted to not showing the immugration EO to the OGE or the AG, the two legal departments in the White House whose job it is, in part, is to say if an EO is legal or not.

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I can see Sally Yates giving an honest opinion. She refused to defend the EO when it was her job was to defend the EO and let the Circuit Court decide on the merits. What makes anyone think her opinion would have been different if an EO worded differently was presented to her limiting travel to those countries?
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