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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by gcomeau   » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:50 pm

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More tidbits from the report...

(Deripaska is a close Putin ally, for those who have been paying absolutely no attention whatsoever)

Gates also reported that Manafort instructed him in April 2016 or early May 2016 to send Kilimnik Campaign internal polling data and other updates so that Kilimnik, in turn, could share it with Ukrainian oligarchs. 888 Gates understood that the information would also be shared with Deripaska REDACTED. 889 Gates reported to the Office that he did not know why Manafort wanted him to send polling information , but Gates thought it was a way to showcase Manafort 's work, and Manafort wanted to open doors to jobs after the Trump Campaign ended. 890 Gates said that Manafort 's instruction included sending internal polling data prepared for the Trump Campaign by pollster Tony Fabrizio. 891 Fabrizio had worked with Manafort for years and was brought into the Campaign by Manafort . Gates stated that, in accordance with Manafort's instruction , he periodically sent Kilimnik polling data via WhatsApp ; Gates then deleted the communications on a daily basis. 892


Nothing to see here.... just someone at the top of the Trump Campaign engaged in totally innocent above board regular communication of highly valuable campaign proprietary information that just *happens* to be exactly what the Russians would need to target their election interference efforts... to someone with connections to Russian Intelligence and a Russian Oligarch closely connected to Vladimir Putin... and I'm sure he made certain to delete his message history on a daily basis out of an innate desire to keep his phone tidy... :roll:
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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by gcomeau   » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:05 pm

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And here we have the Trump Campaign Chairman engaging in coded discussions about the future of Russia friendly powers seizing control of chunks of Ukraine....


Manafort met with Kilimnik a second time at the Grand Havana Club in New York City on the evening of August 2, 2016 . The events leading to the meeting are as follows. On July 28, 2016, Kilimnik flew from Kiev to Moscow. 912 The next day, Kilimnik wrote to Manafort requesting that they meet, using coded language about a conversation he had that day.913 In an email with a subject line "Black Caviar," Kilimnik wrote:

I met today with the guy who gave you your biggest black caviar jar several years ago. We spent about 5 hours talking about his story , and I have several important messages from
him to you. He asked me to go and brief you on our conversation. I said I have to run it by you first, but in principle I am prepared to do it. ... It has to do about the future of his country, and is quite interesting. 914


Manafort identified "the guy who gave you your biggest black caviar jar" as Yanukovych. He explained that, in 2010, he and Yanukovych had lunch to celebrate the recent presidential election. Yanukovych gave Manafort a large jar of black caviar that was worth approximately $30,000 to $40,000.915 Manafort's identification of Yanukovych as "the guy who gave you your biggest black caviar jar" is consistent with Kilimnik being in Moscow-where Yanukovych resided-when Kilimnik wrote "I met today with~ a December 2016 email in which Kilimnik referred to Yanukovych as "BG,"- 916 Manafort replied to Kilimnik's July 29 email, "Tuesday [August 2] is best . .. Tues or weds in NYC." 9 17

Three days later, on July 31, 2016, Kilimnik flew back to Kiev from Moscow, and on that same day, wrote to Manafort that he needed "about 2 hours" for their meeting "because it is a long caviar story to tell." 918 Kilimnik wrote that he would arrive at JFK on August 2 at 7:30 p.m., and he and Manafort agreed to a late dinner that night.919 Documentary evidence- including flight, phone, and hotel records, and the timing of text messages exchanged 920-confirms the dinner took place as planned on August 2.921

As to the contents of the meeting itself, the accounts of Manafort and Gates-who arrived late to the dinner-differ in certain respects. But their versions of events, when assessed alongside available documentary evidence and what Kilimnik told business associate Sam Patten, indicate that at least three principal topics were discussed. First, Manafort and Kilimnik discussed a plan to resolve the ongoing political problems in Ukraine by creating an autonomous republic in its more industrialized eastern region ofDonbas, 922 and having Yanukovych, the Ukrainian President ousted in 2014, elected to head that republic. 923

That plan, Manafort later acknowledged, constituted a "backdoor" means for Russia to control eastern Ukraine. 924
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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by gcomeau   » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:13 pm

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More gems from what the Trump Campaign Chairman was doing during the campaign... (and also examples of Manafort trying to weasel out of this with the Special Counsel's Office by saying he blew off the plan and it ended there and getting caught lying)

Manafort initially said that, if he had not cut off the discussion, Kilimnik would have asked Manafort in the August 2 meeting to convince Trump to come out in favor of the peace
plan, and Yanukovych would have expected Manafort to use his connections in Europe and Ukraine to support the plan. 925 Manafort also initially told the Office that he had said to Kilimnik that the plan was crazy, that the discussion ended, and that he did not recall Kilimnik asking Manafort to reconsider the Ian after their August 2 meeting. 926 Manafort said REDACTED that he reacted negatively to Yanukovych sending-years later-an "urgent" request when Yanukovych needed him. 927 When confronted with an email written by Kilimnik on or about December 8, 2016, however, Manafort acknowledged Kilimnik raised the peace plan again in that email. 928 Manafort ultimately acknowled ed Kilimnik also raised the peace plan in January 2017 meetings with Manafort REDACTED 929

Second, Manafort briefed Kilimnik on the state of the Trump Campaign and Manafort's plan to win the election. 930 That briefing encompassed the Campaign's messaging and its internal polling data . According to Gates, it also included discussion of "battleground" states, which Manafort identified as Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota. 931 Manafort did not refer explicitly to "battle ground " states in his telling of the August 2 discussion, REDACTED.

Third, according to Gates and what Kilimnik told Patten, Manafort and Kilimnik discussed two sets of financial disputes related to Mana fort's previous work in the region. Those consisted of the unresolved Deripaska lawsuit and the funds that the Opposition Bloc owed to Manafort for his political consulting work and how Manafort might be able to obtain payment. 933

After the meeting, Gates and Manafort both stated that they left separately from Kilimnik because they knew the media was tracking Manafort and wanted to avoid media reporting on his connections to Kilimnik. 934
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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by smr   » Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:48 am

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This Mueller report is interesting especially Part 2. Part 2 lays out a plan for Obstruction . I am sometimes cheap where it comes to money. For this exercise I printed out the report and howled at the cost. At dinner, my family goes and discusses one point of the obstruction. One the 3rd point my son pointed out a pattern. The Mueller team lays out a case for obstruction and then destroys the case with a couple of sentences. the sad part is I can never tell him that because that would turn into an argument that I was trying to control him. He is not my biological son but a son in my heart. Talk about unintended consequences that was one I never saw coming. Sadly, I think he is destined for the Intelligence game much to my objections but happiness of certain members of my extended family. I really hoped he would be a engineer or a doctor.
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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by gcomeau   » Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:08 am

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smr wrote:This Mueller report is interesting especially Part 2. Part 2 lays out a plan for Obstruction . I am sometimes cheap where it comes to money. For this exercise I printed out the report and howled at the cost. At dinner, my family goes and discusses one point of the obstruction. One the 3rd point my son pointed out a pattern. The Mueller team lays out a case for obstruction and then destroys the case with a couple of sentences.


Yeeeeeeah....no. No it does not.
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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by gcomeau   » Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:03 pm

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Even Fox News is starting to crack and let in a little reality on this one...

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/judge-a ... ct-justice

Mueller laid out at least a half-dozen crimes of obstruction committed by Trump -- from asking former Deputy National Security Adviser K.T. McFarland to write an untruthful letter about the reason for Flynn's chat with Kislyak, to asking Corey Lewandowski and then-former White House Counsel Don McGahn to fire Mueller and McGahn to lie about it, to firing Comey to impede the FBI's investigations, to dangling a pardon in front of Michael Cohen to stay silent, to ordering his aides to hide and delete records.

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The president's job is to enforce federal law. If he had ordered its violation to save innocent life or preserve human freedom, he would have a moral defense. But ordering obstruction to save himself from the consequences of his own behavior is unlawful, defenseless and condemnable.
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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by smr   » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:39 am

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Hilary met with Joseph Mifsud in 2016. Funny how the Mueller Report alleges he was a Russian Spy but he was a friendly Western Spy for Italy. The Slow Burn...They found that he was living a mile from the US Embassy in Italy! Told you that Trump was not going to drop this issue. The spying was occurring before the Dec 2015. The Aussies and English were spying on US politicians and the Republican Party. Lots of people are going to jail!

Gcomeau, Keep grasping for the straws eventually you will run out of straws! You bought the Demoncrats and their media allies story hook, line, and sinker. God you are so naive and gullible but don't feel too bad because a lot of other people bought the same propaganda. Remember, love your Country and trust not in the politicians word. If their mouth is open their lying!

https://townhall.com/political-cartoons ... /20/164953
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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by gcomeau   » Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:17 am

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smr wrote:Gcomeau, Keep grasping for the straws eventually you will run out of straws! You bought the Demoncrats and their media allies story hook, line, and sinker.


So to be clear, in your frantic need to squeeze your eyes shut and clamp your hands firmly over your ears to deny what is spelled out in absolutely clear terms in the report, you are now characterizing Andrew Napolitano of FOX NEWS as "a Demoncrat media ally"?

You're getting more transparently desperate by the day.
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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by smr   » Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:29 am

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Is that what I said? Hmmm. I think you to go back and review the post? I mentioned that you were grasping at straws and well just proved my point. Thank you for making that point so easy!

gcomeau wrote:
smr wrote:Gcomeau, Keep grasping for the straws eventually you will run out of straws! You bought the Demoncrats and their media allies story hook, line, and sinker.


So to be clear, in your frantic need to squeeze your eyes shut and clamp your hands firmly over your ears to deny what is spelled out in absolutely clear terms in the report, you are now characterizing Andrew Napolitano of FOX NEWS as "a Demoncrat media ally"?

You're getting more transparently desperate by the day.
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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by gcomeau   » Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:41 am

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smr wrote:Is that what I said? Hmmm. I think you to go back and review the post? I mentioned that you were grasping at straws and well just proved my point.


I posted an article by Napolitano stating flat out Trump committed Obstruction again and again.

You responded with how I was buying the "Demoncrats" media allies story hook line and sinker.


Sooooo... yes. That is in fact what you said.
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