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EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!

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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by Starsaber   » Mon May 15, 2017 2:01 pm

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Tenshinai wrote:Thing to remember about Trump is that he is NOT a politician. He runs the presidential position like he would run just another corporate CEO position.


The problem with that is that government isn't a business and shouldn't be run as such. The purpose of a business is to make money and they need to provide goods/services to do that. The purpose of a government is to provide services (defense, etc) and they need to take in money to do that. Someone who is used to the business "profit above all" perspective might not be good at dealing with what they provide being the more important piece.
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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by gcomeau   » Tue May 16, 2017 3:56 am

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Tenshinai wrote:
There´s an article in Time that gives some interesting insights into how Trump works, oh right, found it:
http://time.com/donald-trump-after-hours/

Try reading it, you might find some of it enlightening.

This one is far closer to the mark:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/o ... -data.html
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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by biochem   » Tue May 16, 2017 10:27 am

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Lots of articles recently noting that Trump is lucky in his enemies. Attached are a few of the better ones. Generally authors are traditional conservatives who tolerate Trump but don't particularly like him. They're representative of Republicans who voted for someone else in the primary but Trump in the general.

https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhu ... t-n2326570

https://spectator.org/the-overrated-ove ... overlords/

The following is actually a Wall Street journal article, but was reposted on this link outside the paywall.

https://patriotpost.us/opinion/48932
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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by gcomeau   » Tue May 16, 2017 11:19 am

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biochem wrote:Lots of articles recently noting that Trump is lucky in his enemies.


Summary: Conservatives will tolerate any level of corruption, incompetence or malfeasance, however damaging it is to the nation, as long as it makes Liberals mad.
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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by biochem   » Tue May 16, 2017 1:51 pm

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gcomeau wrote:
biochem wrote:Lots of articles recently noting that Trump is lucky in his enemies.


Summary: Conservatives will tolerate any level of corruption, incompetence or malfeasance, however damaging it is to the nation, as long as it makes Liberals mad.


Summary: Liberals are running around acting like deranged lunatics at every single hint of a story real or false. Anything genuine gets lost in the noise and they are being ignored by people outside the blue bubble whom they need to persuade if they want to win elections.
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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by gcomeau   » Tue May 16, 2017 2:16 pm

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biochem wrote:
gcomeau wrote:Summary: Conservatives will tolerate any level of corruption, incompetence or malfeasance, however damaging it is to the nation, as long as it makes Liberals mad.


Summary: Liberals are running around acting like deranged lunatics at every single hint of a story real or false. Anything genuine gets lost in the noise and they are being ignored by people outside the blue bubble whom they need to persuade if they want to win elections.


^^^Case in point.

Trump just seriously screwed up a national security matter, and the only thing you are focused on is how Liberals are reacting to it, and how Conservatives are reacting to Liberals.
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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by gcomeau   » Tue May 16, 2017 2:47 pm

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Noted "Deranged Liberal Lunatic" Erick Erickson... (emphasis mine)

"What sets this story apart for me, at least, is that I know one of the sources. And the source is solidly supportive of President Trump, or at least has been and was during Campaign 2016. But the President will not take any internal criticism, no matter how politely it is given. He does not want advice, cannot be corrected, and is too insecure to see any constructive feedback as anything other than an attack.

So some of the sources are left with no other option but to go to the media, leak the story, and hope that the intense blowback gives the President a swift kick in the butt. Perhaps then he will recognize he screwed up. The President cares vastly more about what the press says than what his advisers say. That is a real problem and one his advisers are having to recognize and use, even if it causes messy stories to get outside the White House perimeter.

I am told that what the President did is actually far worse than what is being reported. The President does not seem to realize or appreciate that his bragging can undermine relationships with our allies and with human intelligence sources. He also does not seem to appreciate that his loose lips can get valuable assets in the field killed."
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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by biochem   » Tue May 16, 2017 7:18 pm

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Everybody willing to put their name to the story claims that it is a flat out lie. Basically Trump and the Russians were having an intelligence sharing meeting regarding our mutual enemy ISIS. The anonomus source(s) claimed that Trump overshared. No one else actually in the meeting agrees with the anonymous source(s) (this assumes the anonymous source(s) was actually in the meeting and not passing on second hand information (or 3rd hand or 4th hand)).
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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by biochem   » Tue May 16, 2017 7:22 pm

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Tips for calming down and thinking about the validity (or not) of breaking anti-Trump news at the end of the article.

http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/16/tip ... ous-leaks/
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Re: EXTRY! EXTRY! IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT!
Post by gcomeau   » Tue May 16, 2017 7:50 pm

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biochem wrote:Everybody willing to put their name to the story claims that it is a flat out lie. Basically Trump and the Russians were having an intelligence sharing meeting regarding our mutual enemy ISIS. The anonomus source(s) claimed that Trump overshared. No one else actually in the meeting agrees with the anonymous source(s) (this assumes the anonymous source(s) was actually in the meeting and not passing on second hand information (or 3rd hand or 4th hand)).


Yeah.... I don't know what news you've been watching (I'm going to guess, reading Brietbart and Infowars?), but Trump copped to the leak this morning on twitter (while trying to make excuses for it and saying he totally meant to do it all along, for humanitarian reasons of all things). Sooo...
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