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Re: Stuff you just can't make up
Post by pappilon   » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:17 am

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Joat42 wrote:..snip..
You know, those departments may run smoother now that they don't have a party nominated meddling head honcho.. Just saying... :twisted:


Sorry, the head honchos are already appointed by Trump, Mostly people who are possibly clueless (Ben $41,000 Executive Dining room table and chairs Carson) or absolute detractors of their departments (Betsy deVoss, Scott Pruitt), Its the positions directly under them that are going unfilled. Then there are those appointed that cannot pass a simple security clearance.

Trump's mission is to destroy or cripple as many government agencies as possible, slash taxes on the rich and cut ALL of the social safety net. So, you poor slobs, its either work or starve (Which is Paul Ryan's vision)

The real face of Conservatism. Screw Bush Sr's A Kinder Gentler Conservatism oe Bush Jr's A pretty face of conservatism.
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Re: Stuff you just can't make up
Post by cthia   » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:28 am

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Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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Re: Stuff you just can't make up
Post by Annachie   » Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:19 pm

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The "Good guy with a gun" who stopped a school shooter in Maryland on March 20th.

Turns out he didn't. Not exactly.
The kid shot himself when confronted.

More a case of "A Good Guy".
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Re: Stuff you just can't make up
Post by dscott8   » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:21 am

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Annachie wrote:The "Good guy with a gun" who stopped a school shooter in Maryland on March 20th.

Turns out he didn't. Not exactly.
The kid shot himself when confronted.

More a case of "A Good Guy".


The problem with relying on the "good guy with a gun" is that it's reactive. It only comes into play after the threat occurs, usually after the first innocent is shot. I think there needs to be more focus on prevention.
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Re: Stuff you just can't make up
Post by Michael Everett   » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:38 pm

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dscott8 wrote:The problem with relying on the "good guy with a gun" is that it's reactive. It only comes into play after the threat occurs, usually after the first innocent is shot. I think there needs to be more focus on prevention.

The problem with pro-active action is that it can be seen as unfairly stigmatizing the individual(s) it is targeting.
The UK is having a major problem with the Prevent program that is intended to stop children and teenagers from being brainwashed into extreme religious and/or political mindsets (such as violent Islamicism or neo-nazism).
The downside? The people that are prone to those aforementioned positions are more likely to react to being approached by assuming that they are being picked on because of their race/religion/whatever and thus self-brainwashing themselves faster in response. After all, being approached like that proves that Duh Gumbmint and it's Evil Spies are trying to stop them bringing The Truth to the world etc etc.
Being pro-active is tricky and if not done perfectly, can easily create even more problems than it solves.
You need to aim very, very, very carefully when being pro-active.
And the threat you think you face may not be the threat that actually tries to bite you.
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Re: Stuff you just can't make up
Post by pappilon   » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:53 pm

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dscott8 wrote:The problem with relying on the "good guy with a gun" is that it's reactive. It only comes into play after the threat occurs, usually after the first innocent is shot. I think there needs to be more focus on prevention.


Michael Everett wrote:The problem with pro-active action is that it can be seen as unfairly stigmatizing the individual(s) it is targeting.
The UK is having a major problem with the Prevent program that is intended to stop children and teenagers from being brainwashed into extreme religious and/or political mindsets (such as violent Islamicism or neo-nazism).
The downside? The people that are prone to those aforementioned positions are more likely to react to being approached by assuming that they are being picked on because of their race/religion/whatever and thus self-brainwashing themselves faster in response. After all, being approached like that proves that Duh Gumbmint and it's Evil Spies are trying to stop them bringing The Truth to the world etc etc.
Being pro-active is tricky and if not done perfectly, can easily create even more problems than it solves.
You need to aim very, very, very carefully when being pro-active.
And the threat you think you face may not be the threat that actually tries to bite you.


The other issue is friendly fire. The active shooter situation is chaotic at best. So now you have a second "good guy" shooter trying to take out the probably better armed first shooter while having to not create "friendly fire" casualties.

Then the police response gets way more confused and confusing because now there are reports of multiple shooters. So now the "good guy with the gun" becomes another potential police target.

I agree whth everyone that says this is insane.
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Re: Stuff you just can't make up
Post by gcomeau   » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:58 am

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There's something extremely dangerous to our democracy in this clip. Guess what it is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWLjYJ4BzvI




(To be clear, the spread of Fake news is itself, yes, something dangerous to democracy. But the Sinclair group is just engaging in a propaganda effort here to convince people it's *everyone else* who is guilty, and totally not them, by forcing news anchors to read the company line word for word in every station they own. There have been reports some of the news people who were forced to read this characterized it as being treated like hostages forced to read a script from their kidnappers)



Edit: So OF COURSE Trump tweeted this morning about how great Sinclair is and how they're so much better than those news networks he hates... because if it invokes mental images of an emerging authoritarian dystopia, Trump can't help but love it.
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Re: Stuff you just can't make up
Post by gcomeau   » Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:57 pm

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https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/980858619154575366

That is not an isolated observation. This happens all the time. When he isn't announcing policy desires based on whatever segment last aired on Fox News he's hiring whoever he last saw talking on his tv.

The country is being run by an angry, confused, ignorant senior citizen sitting on his couch watching cable news, believing everything it tells him because that's easier than listening to his actual briefings, and yelling at the tv. Only after he's done he then gets to order the government to implement his rants.
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Re: Stuff you just can't make up
Post by pappilon   » Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:16 pm

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gcomeau wrote:https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/980858619154575366

That is not an isolated observation. This happens all the time. When he isn't announcing policy desires based on whatever segment last aired on Fox News he's hiring whoever he last saw on talking his tv.

The country is being run by an angry, confused, ignorant senior citizen sitting on his couch watching cable news, believing everything it tells him because that's easier than listening to his actual briefings, and yelling at the tv. Only after he's done he then gets to order the government to implement his rants.


Trump is pretty much lacking in morality. Trump is a liar who jut lies about everything and anything he thinks will help him "seal-the-deal." The problem is, you just can't trust a liar, you really can't do business with one. Yet he is better than CLinton?
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Re: Stuff you just can't make up
Post by Annachie   » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:57 am

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Parents of Sandy Hook victims are sueing Alex Jones and info wars for defamation.
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