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I hate to do this, but you have no actual idea what you are talking about, because the sources you're using are very likely not local.
The official statistics show that there were around 70000 crimes or attempted crimes by Refugees in Germany over the last year. Given that there are currently 1 million refugees in Germany, this equates to about .07 crimes per refugee, which compares favourably to the overall crime rate in Germany (.08 crimes per citizen). So, whatever else they are, they certainly aren't worse than the people already living here.
You made my point the majority of the refugees are good I never stated otherwise. I only pointed out that it is the ethical responsibility of elected officials to put the citizen before the non-citizen. And that if your government tried to do a better job of it then maybe they would have impacted a lot fewer than 70K of your countrymen and women and their families. And this is not a dig at Germany our country is has the same problem except it is some ware around 15 to 17 million, and let’s give the benefit of the doubt and apply that same .07 to them that would be about 1.12 million crimes over the decades and that is not counting repeat offenders or people that were deported and came back.
Let’s take your numbers if you put 10k refugees on one town with an approximate crime .07 per refugee that would be about 700 crimes committed and depending on how big or small that town is that is a major impact on that community that could have been drastically reduced by slowing down the process and doing your best to vet them.
And if you do that are you going to identify all of the malcontents at the border, nope but if you could cut the 70K down to say only 40K wouldn’t it have been worth it.
Also let’s remember some of these victims lives will never be the same ever, permanently altered or even shattered, we are not just talking about simple burglaries and nonviolent crimes here we are talking about rape, murder, child molestation, human trafficking, DUI’s and Hit and runs killing or ever crippling people. Granted these crimes are probably on the majority but out of 70K crimes in a year I bet they still add up to thousands. And we can reduce these crimes by slowing down the illegal-immigration/refugee process and doing our due diligence. Do our own citizens commit these same crimes YES! they do but here is the difference they are already here we cannot stop and vet them at the border.
I never said or implied that we should stop legal immigration or accepting refugees. I never said or implied that they are mostly bad in fact I said the exact opposite.All I said was that it is the ethical responsibility for the government to put its citizens before non-citizens. I do not see a problem with that do you?
Your approach seems to be well we can’t read their minds so let’s just let everyone in and we will catch them once they have committed a crime then do something about it.
The thing I'm trying to get at is that, no matter what parts of the media may be trying to sell you (or, rather, the parts of the german political spectrum that roughly equate to the Trump/Tea Party movement in the US), in actuality most of the people coming here are just as law-abiding as the rest of us.
Again never said otherwise, most people are good I agree. Thanks for the stereo type though maybe you should do some research on what the Tea Party movement was really about and the types of people that were involved in it and not get all of your information from the DNC and main stream media.
In the absence of true mindreading capability, there is no way to stop people from coming into the country under false pretenses. Given that, I see no reason to bar people from entry just because they might be idiots; We have a functioning police and judicial system that can deal with those.
Yes we cannot read people’s minds. But we can look at their social media accounts who/and what type of people they communicate with on a regular basis and hell interview them with someone that extremists would have a difficult time dealing with such as a woman or a wonderfully flamboyant gay person
and try and identify any subconscious ques. We as in the western world have many many ways of trying to vet someone and if we are unable then turn them around.
Are we going to get them all no, it’s is not possible like you said we can’t read their minds but as an elected official it would be my duty to try.And my current feeling is they are not.
You are not addressing the point I made, I note. You know that the system isn't perfect, and so I have to conclude that you're willing to accept a number of false positives that would lead to people being deported without cause.
I did…..NO system is perfect and can’t be because we as a society are not perfect also it is impossible to be fair to every person all of the time. So again when a
false positive is identified then corrective action is taken, laws and process are looked at and modified to either reduce or eliminate the occurrence.Thant is the best we can do in a fair society.
I wonder if you would be that tolerant of mistakes if you or your family were at risk.
Yes………..I grew up in Ca the majority of my friends are Hispanic and some were born here by parents that were not here legally and they treat me and I look at them as family and would be devastated if they were deported which is why I came up with a way to make every one legal citizens over time once the boarder is secure…as it can be.
Look, it's like this: The conservative movement in the US is richer, whiter, older and more male than the current average American is. If this trend continues (and it shows no sign of stopping), then the conservative voice will vanish into irrelevance.
Wrong, look at what is happening at college campuses around the USA. We are the new radicals we are the ones bucking the system while the man is trying to silence us. A touch of exacerbation here but my point still remains conservatism is only one aspect of a wide variety of similar beliefs that includes Republicans, Libertarians, Constitutionalist and many others and we are not all the same skin color gender sexual orientation or wealthy. Look here is an admittedly small sample and you would have to take my word for it but the people in my life remember my Hispanic friends I told you about well most of them would be considered libertarians or constitutionalist a couple of them are gay too, we are all in our 30’s too so not old and the majority of my peers at work who are between their 20’s and 30’s are not white or rich would fall into one of these categories. Now my peers at work who are in their 50’s and are mostly white males would fall into some spectrum of democrat. We are not what we are as portrayed as being
but we do have our 10% of Fing nut cases just like any group and because it fits the media’s stereotype those are the ones that get the most attention. and it is Us not just conservatives that make up group like the Tea Party.
As for me I think I am some weird hybrid of a Constitutionalist Libertarian Conservative.
This is something that cannot be allowed to happen, as democracy without alternatives and dialogue is just oligarchy with better PR. So, the conservative movement will have to change with the times: It cannot survive if it spends most of its energy on fighting a change that is irreversible. If this means compromising on some core beliefs, then so be it; it's not as if that's an unprecedented thing (see for example how southern racists shifted their vote from the democrats to the republicans in the fifties and sixties).
It’s not as clear cut are you seem to think.
“It’s true that a Democratic president, Lyndon Johnson, shepherded the 1964 Civil Rights Act to passage. But who voted for it? Eighty percent of Republicans in the House voted aye, as against 61 percent of Democrats. In the Senate, 82 percent of Republicans favored the law, but only 69 percent of Democrats. Among the Democrats voting nay were Albert Gore Sr., Robert Byrd, and J. William Fulbright.”
“Okay, but didn’t all the old segregationist senators leave the Democratic party and become Republicans after 1964? No, just one did: Strom Thurmond. The rest remained in the Democratic party — including former Klansman Robert Byrd, who became president pro tempore of the Senate.”
And this is in response to the point you are trying to make.“These Republican gains came not from the most rural and “deep south” regions, but rather from the newer cities and suburbs. If the new southern Republican voters were white racists, one would have expected Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia to be the first to turn. Instead, as Gerard Alexander notes in “The Myth of the Racist Republicans,” the turn toward the GOP began in Virginia, North Carolina, Texas, Tennessee, and Florida. Eisenhower did best in the peripheral states. Alexander concludes: “The GOP’s southern electorate was not rural, nativist, less educated, afraid of change, or concentrated in the . . . Deep South.
It was disproportionately suburban, middle-class, educated, young, non-native southern, and concentrated in the growth points that were
the least ‘Southern’ parts of the south.””http://www.nationalreview.com/article/3 ... ona-charenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwqhoVIh65khttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-QwMUjD8xgI am not asking conservatives to become a carbon copy of liberals. But you guys need to figure out a way to deal with the perception problems you have, and one way to start with this is to start talking to people and stop silencing them (see for reference recent changes to election procedures proposed by Republicans under the guise of improving the security of the vote but which incidentally also reduce the part of the voter pool which is more inclined to vote democrat).
Who are we silencing what outlet of the main stream media do we control? Every time we try and articulate our ideas in the media
we get labeled racists or sexist before we even have a chance to complete our idea. And what changes to election law would reduce the voter pool? Voter ID please.
Everyone in the US over the age of 18 needs to have some form of official ID to do every day things. Getting on an airplane ID,
picking up a prescription ID,
cashing /depositing a check ID, going into a federal government building ID, renting a car ID,
buying alcohol ID, buying cigarettes ID, going into a Bar ID and I can name many many more times where we need to have it, so the majority of our people do and this goes to my point earlier before we can even get our message/idea out we get labeled racists and people stop looking at the idea or what it’s trying to accomplish and call it a guise of improving security.
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Riley said "black voter turnout in 2012 exceeded the rate of white voter turnout, even in the states with the strictest voter ID laws," despite the Democrats claiming the voter ID laws suppress the black vote.
While there is debate about the reasons why -- and if the phenomenon will last -- Riley's statistic checks out. Census data shows that indeed, for the first time ever, black voter turnout was higher nationally than white voter turnout, and at least just as high in the states with strict voter ID laws.
We rate this claim True.”
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st ... rnout-eve/“A recent study of the the 2010 and 2012 primaries and general elections shows that voter ID laws did not disproportionately decrease minority turnout. The study, conducted by University of California San Diego political scientist Lindsay Nielson in data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Survey, found the following: (emphasis bolded)
In primaries, she reports, whites and minorities vote at approximately similar rates;
turnout declines for people of all races from 43 to 31 percent, as ID requirements become stricter. Turnout among voters over age 65 declines from 57 to 48 percent in primary elections; among those ages 35 to 64, it drops from 42 to 34 percent; the young vote decreases from 30 to 22 percent. Income makes no difference; turnout declines about 10 percent both for people who make more than $40,000 per year and those who make less. She found similar results when the income cutoff was set at $20,000 per year.”
http://www.dailywire.com/news/7992/5-st ... on-bandlerAnd the study is here but behind a pay wall.
http://prq.sagepub.com/content/early/20 ... 2913514854Don’t Believe Voter Fraud Happens? Here’s Some Examples
http://dailysignal.com/2015/05/22/ydont ... -examples/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAe6xa3rgb4The thing about medical insurance is that you do not know what you are going to need. Maybe you live out your days in the best of health, in which case you'll have wasted a lot of money, maybe you'll contract an exotic disease not covered by your health plan, in which case you are quite royally fucked. Health care which doesn't cover everything might as well not exist; It is outrageous that a civilized country would accept losing people to preventable medical issues out of an overzealous belief in the individual.
We are by no means perfect we have many many faults and there are millions of things that we could do better as a nation but our belief in the individual is the core of who we are and what has allowed us to achieve so much.
Also According to Wiki on German health insurance.
“the government is responsible to ensure access by those who in need, subsidiarity, policies are
implemented with smallest no political and administrative influence, and corporatism”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Germanyand you
“There are 118 health care insurance providers which are part of the social security system”
Granted I have just scratched the surface and
I am still learning, but it appears that Germany does not have a purely Socialist healthcare system they blended a Socialist program with a free market solution. And got the best of both worlds. And this type of program goes with I said earlier about the government solution should be the last one to be considered and if deemed required as limited as much as possible which is what you guys did.
What seems like a more socialist healthcare program than your medical system is our VA and it is in shambles and has been for decades.
IG Report: 300,000 Veterans Died While Waiting for Health Care at VA (these numbers are most likely smaller but it’s hard to tell by how much because of poor record keeping.)
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015 ... re-va.htmlColorado VA hospital $1 billion over budget
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /24964551/