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A warning
Post by DDHv   » Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:25 am

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the American College of Pediatricians wrote:
“Conditioning children into believing that a lifetime of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex is normal and healthful is child abuse. Endorsing gender discordance as normal via public education and legal policies will confuse children and parents, leading more children to present to ‘gender clinics’ where they will be given puberty-blocking drugs. This, in turn, virtually ensures that they will ‘choose’ a lifetime of carcinogenic and otherwise toxic cross-sex hormones, and likely consider unnecessary surgical mutilation of their healthy body parts as young adults.”

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Re: A warning
Post by PeterZ   » Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:13 am

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Duh!

DDHv wrote:
the American College of Pediatricians wrote:
“Conditioning children into believing that a lifetime of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex is normal and healthful is child abuse. Endorsing gender discordance as normal via public education and legal policies will confuse children and parents, leading more children to present to ‘gender clinics’ where they will be given puberty-blocking drugs. This, in turn, virtually ensures that they will ‘choose’ a lifetime of carcinogenic and otherwise toxic cross-sex hormones, and likely consider unnecessary surgical mutilation of their healthy body parts as young adults.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/05/bankrupt-the ... Qpj5Xis.99


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Re: A warning
Post by The E   » Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:47 pm

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DDHv wrote:Comments
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Transphobia would be hilarious if it wasn't killing people so much.

In case you are prone to misunderstand that comment: The belief that trans- or non-hetero people are somehow sick or "choose" to be trans or non-hetero is absolutely stupid.
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Re: A warning
Post by DDHv   » Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:40 pm

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The E wrote:
DDHv wrote:Comments
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Transphobia would be hilarious if it wasn't killing people so much.

In case you are prone to misunderstand that comment: The belief that trans- or non-hetero people are somehow sick or "choose" to be trans or non-hetero is absolutely stupid.


Since none of us can personally test everything, we must rely on someone else for most of our information. We should do our best to test whoever we look at as an authority. Bad authorities, when accepted, produce bad results. Some useful tests:

1) do they supply observation or experiment as reasons?
2) is there a history of honesty in such supply
3) is their background such that they are likely to know from their own observation or experiments what they are talking about?

I just finished reading:

http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.com/
the 6/10/16 part, where the question is asked: who is the greatest anti scientist of all time? The pick is based on:

We think it comes down to a trifecta of badness:

Misconduct in the use of data or analytical tools in order to advance a predetermined outcome.
The deliberate exclusion or suppression of contradictory explanations that better explain real world evidence.
The possession of enough influence to either stall or reverse real progress in the advance of knowledge in their field of scientific study.


Guess their choice!

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Re: A warning
Post by Annachie   » Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:10 pm

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They're 100% correct. Of course conditioning children into believing their legitimate gender dysphoria is some how not real is also child abuse.



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Re: A warning
Post by PeterZ   » Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:05 pm

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Agreed. Trouble is the way society is approaching this illness is begging for false positive diagnosies. That's the point.

This has become a cause celebre rather than truely addressing an illness.

Annachie wrote:They're 100% correct. Of course conditioning children into believing their legitimate gender dysphoria is some how not real is also child abuse.



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Re: A warning
Post by Daryl   » Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:40 am

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Curious PeterZ, when you describe people's unusual gender identification as an illness, are you being serious or (as I often do) micheviously being provocative to get a reaction?
Life would be simpler if boys will be boys, and girls will be girls in all cases, but as in all things there are exceptions to the rule. These exceptons are not wrong, immoral or ill; just differnt.
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Re: A warning
Post by PeterZ   » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:52 am

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Have you ever heard of androgyn insensitivity, Daryl? Ot is a condition where a genetic male's body does not recognize testosterone. It results in the child developing the secondary female sex characteristics. The genetic male child looks like a female. They tend to be tomboys but their gender identification is confused.

Now we are discussing a cognitive disconnect with the body a mind finds itself in. That is an illness just as sure as androgyn insensitivity. The cure is obviously to eliminate the disconnect either by changing the body or the cognition that is disconnected. I advocate neither approach, only state facts.

One conclusion I draw is that how much of that disconnect is created by this cause celebre approach to treating a real condition? How many children are drawn into such a disconnect? We don't know enough about this condition to assert any sort of answer.

So, Daryl, to answer your question, I am being serious about this.

Daryl wrote:Curious PeterZ, when you describe people's unusual gender identification as an illness, are you being serious or (as I often do) micheviously being provocative to get a reaction?
Life would be simpler if boys will be boys, and girls will be girls in all cases, but as in all things there are exceptions to the rule. These exceptons are not wrong, immoral or ill; just differnt.
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Re: A warning
Post by aairfccha   » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:29 pm

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Re: A warning
Post by Tenshinai   » Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:31 pm

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PeterZ wrote:Have you ever heard of androgyn insensitivity, Daryl? Ot is a condition where a genetic male's body does not recognize testosterone. It results in the child developing the secondary female sex characteristics. The genetic male child looks like a female. They tend to be tomboys but their gender identification is confused.


Tomboy? Ah yes, gender prejudice in its finest form. Because one part of the problem is that the definition of that word ( and it´s translations across the world ) varies rather a fair amount according to local culture.
There are some parts personality wise that MAY be a result of genetical gender coding, but MOST of what you would consider genderbased behaviour, isn´t. Cultural indoctrination is heavy, and the kids start learning almost from the first time they open their eyes.

Important addition however is that personality differences are very likely more varied between individuals than they are between gender. Ie. most of what you would term "tomboys" are in fact 100% girl with 100% natural behaviour. And vice versa.


Also, your description is inadequate, because the results of that specific "disorder" can be a number of rather different ones.
It is in fact only recently that it´s even become realised just how "common" it is(as in, several times more common than previously thought, still only a low single number percentage(probably)).

There´s also the reverse, hypersensitivity to male hormone.

But, that´s only a small part of the spectrum of causes that can result in uncertain gender classification and self-identity.

The easiest example is how beyond the usual XX and XY gender determinating DNA, there´s people with all combinations up to XYYY (YYYY doesn´t work, but as long as there´s always 1 X in the mix, it´s probably possible).

A small part of the population is genetically TWO people(so far unknown if it is possible for more than two sets of DNA), themselves and their nonexistant twin with the division seen so far beeing that organs are split between the 2 DNA. And as identical twin DNA can´t be separated from each other, we cannot even know if it is more common than we would expect, or not.
And these people can have a combination of XX and XY, where visible gender was determined by what organs got which set of DNA.

Then there´s the parts of the brain that develops differently between gender. Depending on exact classification there´s about a dozen, and a BIG minority of people have at least one of those parts as if they were of opposite gender, but these are rarely noticeable unless when it is the part involved in sexual behaviour.

Our modern chemical society is also responsible for a bunch of issues caused by the vast amounts of "non harmful" chemicals thrown around that still interacts with human bodies.

And that´s before you´ve even started looking at "purely psychological" gender issues.


Essentially, if we look purely at the scientific evidence(ie ignore anything that cannot be verified, meaning that psychological issues are completely ignored ), and depending on how strict the limits are set, we have male, female and somewhere between 10 and >40% "other".
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