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by pokermind
» Thu May 12, 2016 1:19 pm
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Cooperations have become world striding organizations (the Multi-Nationals) more powerful than governments taking advantage of the power wealth affords them in my opinion they are the reason the people are losing their freedom and livelihoods. Here is an opposing view that might spark interest in the topic:
http://paulgraham.com/re.html Kinda makes you think? What do you think? Poker CPO Poker Mind
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by The E
» Fri May 13, 2016 12:51 am
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Socialism is necessary. |
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by Michael Everett
» Fri May 13, 2016 1:05 am
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The problem with socialism is that the socialists eventually run out of other people's money to spend. ~~~~~~
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by The E
» Fri May 13, 2016 1:23 am
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And the problem with capitalism is that there's a limit to how much you can steal from people. I know, these statements are fun. They're nice and snappy and short and even somewhat true, but they're utter bullshit that don't actually serve to further the discussion. They're shibboleths, flags to plant in the ground to signal your agreement with one position or another. So can we please, for once, take it as read that you conservatives think that redistribution of wealth is a fundamental evil, and that people like me believe that uncontrolled accumulation of wealth in the hands of a priviledged few is a greater danger to society than not being as wealthy as you could be if taxes weren't so high? |
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by thinkstoomuch
» Fri May 13, 2016 3:57 am
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Well some of the people you call conservatives think that "declared taxes" aren't high enough. All have too many loopholes at least here in the US. Those people or corporations with the dollars to hire the lawyers and accountants make out like bandits in relation to those who don't to take advantage of the loopholes. Make another tax law and it will have loopholes as corporations and the "privileged" will lobby to include many new loopholes. to employ more MBAs, lawyers and accountants. So the morass gets deeper and deeper. No I have no idea how to actually fix any of it. But as has been demonstrated here in the US(over the last 40 years) fastest way to make something more expensive is to increase government involvement. Making it so a corporation big enough doesn't have to be multinational. My opinion anyway, T2M -----------------------
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by Annachie
» Fri May 13, 2016 7:56 am
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Capitalism is a form of Socialism that unfortunately can trend to Oligarchism, and Oligarchism is as bad as marxism in it's own way.
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by DDHv
» Fri May 13, 2016 11:00 am
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When you redefine "capitalism" to include crony capitalism or socialism to include bureaucratic control, you debase language. The thing is, both of these crooked methods exist. Often, the oligarchy forces misused language on us to get us to lie about what is happening, thus breaking us. George Orwell's books should be required reading 
When a business of any size steals to succeed, it is not truly capitalism. When a government of any size turns its authority over to bureaucrats, it is not truly representative. Both of these are common today, using the language but not having the reality. A large business also develops a bureaucracy. In government, daydream about: A jury can pass three possible verdicts, innocent, guilty, or "this law needs changing" with a one page summary. Any legislature has to deal with all jury derived criticisms before they can do any other business. At the end, the question is whether the customer has final control, by spending choices or votes, or whether the oligarchy has control: either management or government bureaucrats.
So, let us tell the truth, even when punished for it. "Who are you going to believe, our theories, or your lying eyes  "Douglas Hvistendahl
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by biochem
» Wed May 18, 2016 10:24 pm
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Annachie has a point, which is why we need much stricter enforcement of anti-trust laws.
The problem is this pattern is often followed (not always but often): Step 1 - small scrappy startup operating on a shoestring comes up with a better way of doing things and gains market share. decades pass Step 2 - Company is now a mid-large sized company and while not as nimble as it used to be is still doing better than its competitors and is slowly forcing them out of business one by one. decades pass Step 3 - Company is now large and dominates the field. It has grown slow and sluggish however by virtue of it's size and influence it now has political influence and it uses that influence to dominate the field and prevent scrappy startups from competing. Only if the field changes suddenly in unexpected ways will it be dislodged naturally, usually it takes antitrust action at this point. Basically capitalism is a competition. The problem with competition is that sometimes somebody wins. No socialism required to fix this problem, only enforcement of anti-trust regulations. |
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