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Re: Bureaucratic bungles
Post by gcomeau   » Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:55 pm

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biochem wrote:
It's always taxpayers who are forced to pay for the incompetence and apathy of their government tormentors.

http://cfif.org/v/index.php/commentary/ ... at-the-cdc

The advantage of honest capitalism over honest socialism is that elimination of bunglers is automatic, rather than political. Voting with our money still makes sense.
8-)

There is no real competition in hospitals, outside dense urban centres, they are a natural monopoly as there simply is not enough demand to make starting a competing one worthwhile. Also often (see also MRSA) cleaning staff is the first to be squeezed or outsourced in the quest for economical competitiveness (which is the only criteria by which market-competition works). "You have five minutes to clean each room" is only icky in a hotel but actively dangerous here. The same goes for hiring unskilled people for peanuts.


Well you could deal with it the traditional government micromanagment way which it to put together list of best practices in 2016, enact them into rules, dump a huge compliance burden onto the small hospitals and driving them out of business and preventing the implementation of a better infection prevention process developed in 2018 because it is non-compliant.

Or you could enact regulations making executives personally responsible. If you put in place a regulation that required hospital executives to personally pay a fine out of their own pockets if MRSA (and other hospital acquired infections) reach unacceptable levels, then those executives would make very very sure that their hospital followed best practices, that the cleaning staff were competent even if they have to pay more and that those practices were regularly updates as better processes were discovered.

Requiring responsibility is far simpler and far more effective than micromanagement.


Only when the responsibility requirement is enforceable... and guess what that takes?
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Re: Bureaucratic bungles
Post by Howard T. Map-addict   » Thu Mar 31, 2016 2:52 pm

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Yes.
I beg the Forum's pardon.

HTM

munroburton wrote:This is how it should have looked.

Howard T. Map-addict wrote:See also: Monopoly, Kick-back, Pay-off, Insider Trading,
Blackmail, Bribery, Embezzelment (sic), and many others.

A Market will only stay Honest if it is Regulated.
Regulated by people, of course, so here we go again.

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Re: Bureaucratic bungles
Post by thinkstoomuch   » Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:05 pm

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Howard T. Map-addict wrote:Yes.
I beg the Forum's pardon.

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No pardon needed. Just difficult for me. The person you were quoting was on my do not display list.

I value your opinion. Which is why I asked for clarification.

Thank you and enjoy the spring,
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Re: Bureaucratic bungles
Post by DDHvi   » Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:11 am

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biochem wrote:
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Requiring responsibility is far simpler and far more effective than micromanagement.


I'[m not certain it is possible to require responsibility. The best that can be done is to insist that irresponsible individuals pay for their antisocial actions. This is the true responsibility of honest government, not micromanaging.

I like

If you put in place a regulation that required hospital executives to personally pay a fine out of their own pockets if MRSA (and other hospital acquired infections) reach unacceptable levels, then those executives would make very very sure that their hospital followed best practices, that the cleaning staff were competent even if they have to pay more and that those practices were regularly updates as better processes were discovered.


but am not sure it could get past the lobbyists.

The fact that the "invisible hand of the market" can balance at nasty equilibrium points is true. So can the visible hand of government. Which produces the worst bad points? Government is sometimes faster, which does not equate to better.

G. K. Chesterton once commented that original sin was the only Christian doctrine that could be experimentally verified.

I really enjoyed Christopher Anvil's short story (name forgotten) about a society where everyone had electronic devices implanted - the citizen's sent out signals when there were disasters, the officeholder's turned these reports into informative pain which encouraged the officeholders to provide rescue. It is also possible to see several ways such a system can be distorted and misused :!: :twisted:

Now, if it were possible to implant a conscience, and be sure that the things the conscience became upset about fit reality . . .. Again, "who will watch the guardians?" source unknown- some Roman senator, I think. Such an artificial conscience could be misused also.
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