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Shooting in Oregon.
Post by pokermind   » Fri Jan 29, 2016 6:18 am

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FBI video of the Finicum shooting in Oregon, he was not on his knees nor were his hands up when shot he was walking back to the van it appears to me he was talking using his hands, and shot in the back. No weapon is visible in the Video, and he was certainly not holding one. Shooting about 9:20 into the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ

Political execution in America?

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Re: Shooting in Oregon.
Post by gcomeau   » Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:41 pm

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pokermind wrote:FBI video of the Finicum shooting in Oregon, he was not on his knees nor were his hands up when shot he was walking back to the van it appears to me he was talking using his hands, and shot in the back. No weapon is visible in the Video, and he was certainly not holding one. Shooting about 9:20 into the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ

Political execution in America?

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Are you out of your mind?

I have spent years and years listening to conservatives in America make excuses for police shootings. Even when dealing with unarmed suspects who were pulled over on routine traffic stops and weren't even suspected of a crime (beyond, I don't know, not using their freaking blinker when they made a lane change or something).

"Well if he had obeyed police instructions he wouldn;t be dead now"

"Well if he hadn't reached for his waist like an idiot he wouldn't be dead now"

"well why did he run from the cops? If he didn't run from the cops he wouldn't be dead now".

Etc....

Any of that sound familiar to you?




And then we get this.

1. Known armed suspect.

2. On the record as having made public pronouncements he would rather die than go to prison.

3. Fled from the first police stop after spending a good 5 minutes at least clearly refusing to exit the vehicle and surrender.

4. Took a run at the police roadblock down the road.

5. Jumps out of the truck and is clearly not obeying police directions as he waves his hands all over the place.

6. Right before he hits the ground his hand *clearly* goes to his waist, where everyone there knows he almost certainly has a gun.

7. His own people who were in the vehicle with him say he got out of the vehicle to "charge at the police". He wasn't calmly surrendering or something.



"Talking with his hands.... political execution in America..."


Are you freaking kidding me? If there was ever a case of someone begging to be shot by the cops it was this moron.
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Re: Shooting in Oregon.
Post by BrightSoul   » Fri Jan 29, 2016 6:02 pm

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I'm sorry Poker but this was clearly "suicide by cop" and I suspect it was his intention from the beginning of this confrontation. They are hoping that people will see him as a martyr but martyrdom cannot come from suicide.

He clearly stated his intent to die rather than go to jail several times and the speed with which his "group" posted claims that he was murdered tells me that they planned that one of their number would be killed. They needed it to get the media coverage, without his death America would forget them by Monday. Now they get this BS buzz around the internet from the undereducated dupes of the world.
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Re: Shooting in Oregon.
Post by Daryl   » Fri Jan 29, 2016 6:41 pm

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Certainly here if an armed man who was part of a heavily armed group (who had occupied government buildings) had refused an order to disarm by police, and then ran he would have been shot.

If he had survived the charges would have included - possession of illegal weapons,going armed in public so as to cause fear, tresspass, affray, disobeying a lawful police directive, inciting others, and probably some petty more bits of the thrown book.
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Re: Shooting in Oregon.
Post by thinkstoomuch   » Fri Jan 29, 2016 6:59 pm

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Not saying it was not a justified killing. I have a hard time seeing as other than justified.

But looking at the area. Why the hell were there 6 cars and an ROV involved?

As with any situation. Lots of questions about a lot of things in my mind. That one just tops the list.

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Re: Shooting in Oregon.
Post by gcomeau   » Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:19 pm

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thinkstoomuch wrote:Not saying it was not a justified killing. I have a hard time seeing as other than justified.

But looking at the area. Why the hell were there 6 cars and an ROV involved?

As with any situation. Lots of questions about a lot of things in my mind. That one just tops the list.

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They knew the route they would be taking to the meeting they were planning to attend in another town and planned an intercept out of the way of any innocent bystanders.

They probably had the ROV on hand the entire time monitoring the refuge and just re-tasked it to follow them when they left so the cops and feds setting the roadblocks and planning to take them into custody could get updates on their position without having to follow them in a vehicle and tip them off the arrest was coming.

And 6 vehicles seems appropriate for intercepting 2 filled with armed suspects?
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Re: Shooting in Oregon.
Post by pokermind   » Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:23 pm

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An enlargement isof the Video is on this site:

http://politicalcult.com/breaking-fbi-releases-video-of-lavoy-finicum-shooting-death-look-at-his-hands/

This will be a controversial shooting.

Some looking at the video note he lowered his hand to the wound from the first shot from his front, then the officer he was approaching to surrender to shoots him execution style from the back.

Again not all the facts are in, and only an idiot defies national authority taking over a wildlife refuge IMO. The driver was NOT arrested, the one who crashed the first road block, why? He eluded police a crime. Could he have been an infiltrator charged with making the situation more tense, thus allowing more than a simple arrest? Are G-men turning into goons or the Gestapo?

gcomeau this was not one officer and one party the only ones who did not shoot were the armed protesters thus more like a lynching than law enforcement IMHO.

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Re: Shooting in Oregon.
Post by gcomeau   » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:51 am

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pokermind wrote:An enlargement isof the Video is on this site:

http://politicalcult.com/breaking-fbi-releases-video-of-lavoy-finicum-shooting-death-look-at-his-hands/

This will be a controversial shooting.


Only on the internet with the anti government crowd. The investigation into whether it was a justifiable shooting will be about as open and shut as you ever see.

Some looking at the video note he lowered his hand to the wound from the first shot from his front, then the officer he was approaching to surrender to shoots him execution style from the back.


And when you say "note" what you actually mean is "make up a story about" because you can't see any shot in the video.

Again not all the facts are in, and only an idiot defies national authority taking over a wildlife refuge IMO. The driver was NOT arrested, the one who crashed the first road block, why?


Because he was lying dead in the snow. FINICUM was driving. You can clearly see him jump out the drivers door right after the truck gets stuck in the snowbank. FINICUM fled the stop. FINICUM ran the roadblock.

You may be thinking of Mark McConnell... The driver of the *other* vehicle. The one that surrendered at the first stop and didn't flee arrest or try to run a roadblock. If they didn't have a warrant for him and all he did was drive the jeep then surrender when they pulled him over yeah... not too surprising they would let him go.

Or, continue with your conspiracy theorizing...
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Re: Shooting in Oregon.
Post by Annachie   » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:50 am

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Poker, that video doesn't really show much.

BUT, the sheer fact that they would know well in advance that it would be a controvercial stop, it will be filmed 6 ways and then some.

As for the shooting itself, rightly or wrongly American police doctrine is once any shooting starts, it stops when the suspects are on the ground. Probably for every country actually.

The second cop is golden. It's the first that needs to show justification, and it's his body cam we need to see. (If he wasn't wearing one then people need to loose their jobs)

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Re: Shooting in Oregon.
Post by pokermind   » Sat Jan 30, 2016 7:29 am

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This one might not get swept under the rug by the Feds this time. The following call to action by the Pacific Patriots Network, III% group, or 'malitia.' is provided for information purposes I do not endorse it.

OFFICIAL CALL TO ACTION

Update: January 29, 2016

In light of the events that have taken place in Harney County, Oregon over the last two days, the official Pacific Patriots Network statement is as follows:

PPN condemns the violent action taken by the Harney County Sheriff's Department along with the FBI in the shooting death of Mr. Lavoy Finicum.

PPN condemns the violent action taken by the Harney County Sheriff's Department along with the FBI in the execution of arrests associated with the people at the Malhuer National Wildlife Refuge occupation.

PPN condemns the DISHONEST tactics used to arrest Jason Patrick on January 28th. Mr. Patrick's safety, well being and emotional state were compromised when the FBI lied not only to Mr. Patrick but to PPN representatives trying to assist with the PEACEFUL removal of people at the MNWR. The FBI stated to Mr. Patrick and the PPN that he was “free to go.” Mr. Patrick walked 7 miles in sub freezing temperatures only to be arrested at the checkpoint north of the Narrows.

PPN condemns the false statements given to the public by the FBI, Harney County Sheriff's Department and the Harney County officials.
IN RESPONSE TO THESE EVENTS, PACIFIC PATRIOTS NETWORK
IS ISSUING A
CALL TO ACTION

Calling on any and all Americans to come to Burns, Oregon to come to the aid of the American people standing against these violent, malicious and deceitful tactics. Come stand together with other Americans, and express our Constitutional right to PEACEFULLY assemble and air our grievances.

This operation will demand the following:

- Immediate detention by Oregon State Police of the FBI special agent in charge along with all agents and LEO involved in the shooting death of Lavoy Finicum. A first hand eyewitness account presents reasonable cause for arrest while the investigation takes place.

- Immediate removal of all militarized FBI personnel and equipment from Harney County. All State and County Law Enforcement officers are not included and requested to stay and assist in the process to keep the peace.

- Immediate resignation of Judge Steve Grasty, Sheriff David Ward, County commissioner Pete Runnels, and County commissioner Dan Nichols.

In order to successfully accomplish our mission, we will need any and all Americans to PEACEFULLY assemble within Burns, Oregon immediately. The success of this mission depends fully on the number of people that will come to PEACEFULLY stand and demand the items above be initiated.

A letter of intent will be legally served on the FBI special agent in charge at the time of Lavoy Finicum's death, Judge Steven Grasty, Sheriff David Ward, Dan Nichols and Pete Runnels by January 29th, 2016. We will request to escort the FBI presence out of Harney County, Oregon and once complete, the attention will return to the resignation of the County elected officials.

PPN is dedicated to a PEACEFUL operation. If you have any ill intent, please do not come. We do not need you. Please come prepared with civilian attire and adhere to the policy of no long guns within the community.

Please come self sufficient and able to care for yourself for the time you plan to stay. Donations arrive daily but they are not sustainable for a large or lengthy contingency.

We ask that you email us at volunteer@pacificpatriotsnetwork.comg if and when you are planning to come and stand in Burns, Oregon
PRESS RELEASE

27 January 2016

Pacific Patriot Network - Oath Keepers - III%
Pacific Patriots Network - Official Statement for Immediate Release

Source: http://www.pacificpatriotsnetwork.com/


People out west look at things diffrently than most of you I'll try to explain why. The Federal Government controls most of the lands within our states borders over half this differs from you in eastern states. They are controlled by various federal agencies like the Beureau of Land Management [BLM]. The BLM controls grazing of livestock on public lands important to stock growers, in the 1970s rules were changed as the environmental movement gained political influence, this led to the so called "Sage Brush Rebellion." Westerners did not like the control of the Feds and people from other sections of the country controlling their lives, this led to resentment and looking at the Government as a foe rather than a friend.

In the 1990s the Clinton Administration killed people at Waco and Ruby Ridge leading to the Backlash at Oklahoma City. In my state, Idaho, we saw Vicky Weaver murdered holding an eleven month old assault baby. Now we have fear and hatred of the government.

How I understand how the III% people look at this: the Clinton Foundation took money from Canadaian Uranium firms controlled by a Russian uranium firm and certain ranchers had grazing rights so the BLM could not sell the mineral rights due to prior use. This has led to pressuring ranchers off federal lands, don't you love political corruption? One Oregon Rancher had a fire get away and burn some BLM land, he plead guilty was fined and served his time, then a judge decided to add to the sentence longer (Unconstitutional double jeopardy any one?) bring in his friends the Bundys who took the Mauler place to publicize the plight of their friends. leading to the present situation. The Idaho III% thought enough was enough and went to support the Bundys.

Personally I think the nail that stands up is going to get hammered, but thought some of you might be interested in how such people feel I have friends among them. They have been preparing for Civil War and I don't see them backing down, nor do I see the Government backing down hold on to your hatsI think we are in for a wild ride.

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