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Re: Political one liners
Post by gcomeau   » Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:12 pm

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Imaginos1892 wrote:
Annachie wrote:You rant that the SS piggybank is empty in the same paragraph that you reference 3 Trillion dollars that are in it.

Uh, that's the 2.9 trillion dollars that are NOT in it. All that money was squandered long ago, spent on things that had nothing to do with Social Security. Nothing remains but a giant debt that we, the taxpayers, are expected to make good.


Let's just summarize the GOP position on social security, in chronological historical order.


1. OMG SOCIALISM! DON'T DO IT!

2. Oh you did it, hey look at all this money! Hmmmm... let's use it to finance tax cuts for our rich campaign donors and slash top marginal tax rates and other taxes on the rich and corporations to the bone, gutting the government's revenue stream! Yay! We're heroes! Tax cuts!

3. OMG, THE SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY IS GETTING USED UP! THIS IS A SOCIALIST SCAM WE TOLD YOU SO!

4. WHAT???? UNDO OUR TAX CUTS to fix the system we deliberately sabotaged and stole from???? There go Democrats trying to steal money out of our wallets!!!
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Re: Political one liners
Post by Annachie   » Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:54 pm

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So, according to Imaginos, under Trump US Federal Government bonds have become worthless.
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Re: Political one liners
Post by Imaginos1892   » Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:48 am

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Annachie wrote:So, according to Imaginos, under Trump US Federal Government bonds have become worthless.

There have never been any assets behind those bonds, only a promise to wring the money out of the American taxpayers. The politicians don't care how many they print. They don't have to pay for them.
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Re: Political one liners
Post by Annachie   » Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:06 am

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Imaginos1892 wrote:
Annachie wrote:So, according to Imaginos, under Trump US Federal Government bonds have become worthless.

There have never been any assets behind those bonds, only a promise to wring the money out of the American taxpayers. The politicians don't care how many they print. They don't have to pay for them.



Yes there has.

Belief.


Belief that the Federal government will honour the debt.
Exactly the same as the belief that underpins the US Dollar.

Shake that belief and the ecconomy stumbles.
Shatter it and Cthia is digging out the backpacks.
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Re: Political one liners
Post by gcomeau   » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:42 pm

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... 49Aqztn77I

Federal deficit up 77 percent so far this budget year

The government collected lower taxes from individuals and corporations, reflecting the impact of Trump's $1.5 trillion tax cut.



I await your outrage Imaginos... you know, considering how upset you were at Obama when he *reduced* the deficit by hundreds of billions of dollars.
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Re: Political one liners
Post by Imaginos1892   » Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:01 am

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The problem is SPENDING. No matter how much they take in taxes, they always spend more. They spent eight years raising taxes, and it was never enough for them. They raise taxes by $400 billion, and then drool all over themselves and spend $700 billion.

If they want to spend another $300 billion, and are forced to 'compromise' and only spend $200 billion more, they claim they've cut spending by $100 billion!

Oh, and government bonds are DEBT, not assets.

If they taxed everybody 100%, they would spend 150% and whine that taxes were not high enough!
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Re: Political one liners
Post by The E   » Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:05 am

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Nice refusal to engage with the argument honestly there, Imaginos.
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Re: Political one liners
Post by Imaginos1892   » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:06 pm

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Uh, no, I CORRECTED the argument.

The politicians can't tax their way out of their spending problem. Trump is no better, or worse, than the rest.

The government is growing much faster than the rest of the country, taking a bigger and bigger slice of everybody's pie. Eventually, we won't have a country left, only The Government That Ate America.
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Re: Political one liners
Post by Annachie   » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:11 pm

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Imaginos, do we need to quote Sir Humphrey again?

Seriously, Yes Minister should be mandatory viewing for any politics class.

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Re: Political one liners
Post by Michael Everett   » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:08 am

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Annachie wrote:Imaginos, do we need to quote Sir Humphrey again?

Seriously, Yes Minister should be mandatory viewing for any politics class.

While Yes Minister was considered the training program for learning how to deal with the Civil Service during the Thatcherite era and about a decade or so after, that title has now been usurped by the TV series The Thick Of It which was made with the help of several former high-ranking Civil Servants, thus ensuring that it is scarily accurate (even down to the swearing).

Interesting note, The Thick Of It inspired the American TV series Veep.
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