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Re: MH17
Post by namelessfly   » Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:47 pm

namelessfly

What scares the crap out of me is that this is the 100th Anniversary of WW-1. The same stupid mistakes that transformed a simple assassination of some arrogant feces brained dolt into a war that killed tens of millions of people are being repeated. Please explain what was going on in Ukraine that justified the US inciting and supporting a coup? If Vladimir Putin is the villain, why are most of the refuggees and fatalities ethnic Russians?



Arol wrote:
Tenshinai wrote::roll:

...I´ll believe it when there is actually ANY form of evidence beyond jingoistic idiots ranting...


I know that a CNN rapport is not final proof of veracity, but when a story has been rapported on a number of leading news services, then there might be more then a "grain of truth" in the contents.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/15/world ... hpt=ieu_c1

It appears that the humanitarian convoy is just that, humanitarian.
But I do like the phrase:
"send tanks in by night, and humanitarian aid by day.!
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Re: MH17
Post by Zakharra   » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:22 am

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namelessfly wrote:What scares the crap out of me is that this is the 100th Anniversary of WW-1. The same stupid mistakes that transformed a simple assassination of some arrogant feces brained dolt into a war that killed tens of millions of people are being repeated. Please explain what was going on in Ukraine that justified the US inciting and supporting a coup? If Vladimir Putin is the villain, why are most of the refuggees and fatalities ethnic Russians?


To the majority of Ukraine, he would be the villain. To the Russians and ethnic Russians in Ukraine, he would not be the villain, but some sort of hero sort.
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Re: MH17
Post by Taras_Potatos   » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:28 am

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Zakharra wrote:
namelessfly wrote:What scares the crap out of me is that this is the 100th Anniversary of WW-1. The same stupid mistakes that transformed a simple assassination of some arrogant feces brained dolt into a war that killed tens of millions of people are being repeated. Please explain what was going on in Ukraine that justified the US inciting and supporting a coup? If Vladimir Putin is the villain, why are most of the refuggees and fatalities ethnic Russians?


To the majority of Ukraine, he would be the villain. To the Russians and ethnic Russians in Ukraine, he would not be the villain, but some sort of hero sort.


Not true. To most ukranian citisens khuylo is a villain.
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Re: MH17
Post by Taras_Potatos   » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:43 am

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About so called convoy.
Speacker of National Security and Defence Counsil reported that those trucks where used to steal equipment from two factories: "Topaz" @ Donetsk, manufactorer of "Koltchuga" and Lugansk amunition factory.
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Re: MH17
Post by Arol   » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:39 am

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Taras_Potatos wrote:About so called convoy.
Speacker of National Security and Defence Counsil reported that those trucks where used to steal equipment from two factories: "Topaz" @ Donetsk, manufactorer of "Koltchuga" and Lugansk amunition factory.

That actually makes a bit of sense.
That trucks, ostensible there to transport “humanitarian aid”, were actually to be used to transport equipment out, and back into Russia.
Especially given the fact that, when the trucks were inspected at the border upon arrival, it was discovered that a number of them were practically empty.
Also it’s known that at a number of Ukrainian plants and industries were doing high level work for the Russian Defense department.
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Re: MH17
Post by namelessfly   » Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:39 am

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The fact that many of the former Soviet Union's critical defense industries were in the Ukraine was well understood at the time of the dissolution of the Soviet Union. This is one of the reasons why NATO encouraged a peaceful dissolution by promising the USSR leaders that the newly independent republics would be allowed to remain nonaligned and therefore free to sell military systems to Russia.

Unfortunately; current US and NATO leaders refuse to understand that the grand strategy exposed by Honor Harrington in regards to the Solarian League is equallyvalid for the USSR. We need to honor the promises that were made to Russia to ensure a peaceful coexistance. Instead, we incited a coup.


Arol wrote:
Taras_Potatos wrote:About so called convoy.
Speacker of National Security and Defence Counsil reported that those trucks where used to steal equipment from two factories: "Topaz" @ Donetsk, manufactorer of "Koltchuga" and Lugansk amunition factory.

That actually makes a bit of sense.
That trucks, ostensible there to transport “humanitarian aid”, were actually to be used to transport equipment out, and back into Russia.
Especially given the fact that, when the trucks were inspected at the border upon arrival, it was discovered that a number of them were practically empty.
Also it’s known that at a number of Ukrainian plants and industries were doing high level work for the Russian Defense department.
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Everyone loves a parade.
Post by namelessfly   » Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:40 am

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Re: MH17
Post by Taras_Potatos   » Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:08 am

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Journalist investigation posted September 8, 2014
https://bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-euro ... an-troops/
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Re: MH17
Post by Taras_Potatos   » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:17 am

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Another frightful example of the cynical amorality of the terrorists was presented to the civilized world by the Russian mercenaries fighting in the Ukrainian Donbass. Sergey Danilov, a resident of the Russian city of Cheboksary, boasted on VKontakte of the “trophies” he found at the crash site of MH-17, the Malaysian Airlines Boeing-777 shot down by terrorists over Donbas.


http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/09/22/r ... rom-mh-17/

http://photo.freejournal.biz/article5113/x1.jpg
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Re: MH17
Post by Taras_Potatos   » Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:39 am

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Deadly Ukraine Crash: German Intelligence Claims Pro-Russian Separatists Downed MH17

Germany's foreign intelligence agency says its review of the crash of a Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 in Ukrainian has concluded it was brought down by a missile fired by pro-Russian separatists near Donetsk.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/eur ... 97972.html
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