MH17

pokermind wrote:

Daryl wrote:Has anyone else noticed how having large armed militias in the Ukraine has turned out.

Actually the outside influences with gifts of sophisticated weapons has more to do with it, they're more like proxy troops than armed militias

Poker

Keep in mind that the Eurotrash have been very eagerely inciting the Ukrainian government to wage a war of aggression rather than negotiate a peaceful settlement. Up until this airliner shoot down, the Europeans had absolutely nothing that could be cited as a moral justification for their war of economic and political hegemony. Contrast this to the ongoing religious cleansing of Christians from the Islamic world which the Europeans refuse to even acknowledge.

The US really, really needs to withdraw from NATO, SEATO, ANZUS and other entangling alliances. Communism is essentially dead, even in China which is far more advancing it's economic interests rather than export a political ideology. The only aggressive, global, ideological threat is Islamofascism which our alleged allies would rather appease than resist. Europe is undergoing such a profound demographic implosion that they will either cease to be relevant within a few decades or will be transformed into the Caliphate.

namelessfly wrote:Europe is undergoing such a profound demographic implosion that they will either cease to be relevant within a few decades or will be transformed into the Caliphate.

While you guys hop on the christian theocracy train, apparently. Because "Freedom of Religion" only means "Freedom to be evangelist christian".

namelessfly wrote:...Eurotrash...

You need to stop with the name calling.

Donnachaidh wrote:

namelessfly wrote:...Eurotrash...

You need to stop with the name calling.

I concur. Just because many on the left use vile names on people you admire, like Gov. Palin, that does not excuse name calling on your part. Please stop.

Also no one here has been doing that.

PeterZ wrote:

Donnachaidh wrote:You need to stop with the name calling.

I concur. Just because many on the left use vile names on people you admire, like Gov. Palin, that does not excuse name calling on your part. Please stop.

Although some on this forum have expressed insulting and vile opinions about americans, I will cease referring to them using the more humorous rather than vile term "Eurotrash" as it is somewhat redundant and many of the group are Australians and New Zealanders rather than Europeans.

I will however continue to express my opposition to the US supporting European aggression to establish European Hegemony disguised as a moralistic crusade. The US fought two World Wars and the Cold War allegedly to defend freedom in Europe not to mention the Balkans war which created the conditions for 9-11, the Gulf war, the Afghanistan War and Iraq as a consequence. I prefer to see the US sit out the next major war that Europe incites.

namelessfly wrote:Although some on this forum have expressed insulting and vile opinions about americans, I will cease referring to them using the more humorous rather than vile term "Eurotrash" as it is somewhat redundant and many of the group are Australians and New Zealanders rather than Europeans.

I will however continue to express my opposition to the US supporting European aggression to establish European Hegemony disguised as a moralistic crusade. The US fought two World Wars and the Cold War allegedly to defend freedom in Europe not to mention the Balkans war which created the conditions for 9-11, the Gulf war, the Afghanistan War and Iraq as a consequence. I prefer to see the US sit out the next major war that Europe incites.

Thank you. It makes agreeing with fundamental points of your posts easier.

Anyone remember that during the period between WW-1 and WW-2 Great Britain was closely allied with Japan and that a war between the US and Great Britain was the subject of serious consideration and contingency planning? The point here is that in the absence of the threat that was once posed by the Soviet Union, our presumption of common interests with our European allies is very questionable. If anything, the same rationalization articulated by Honor Harrington to break up the SL into polities smaller than the SEM is equally applicable to the EU. The EU economy is only marginally smaller than that of the US and is growing at a time when Obama's policies which the EU continues to applaud are strangling the growth of the US economy. It is insane for the US to support EU expanionism at the expense of Russia. It is in the US interest to encourage the reaggregation of ethnic Russian territories into a larger, more prosperous and militarily powerful entity to counterbalance the expansion of China and Islamicists aa well as the EU.

The arguments for intervention by the US in Ukraine from the beginning have been predicated on the PRESUMPTION that Russia is the natural enemy of the US and freedom. I disagree. I do
not see significant moral difference in Russia's socialist/capitalists system and Europe's capitalists/socialists systems. More importantly, Russia no longer has aspirations of imposing it's ideals on US internal politics while our allies presume to lecture the US on what policies we
should implement to join the ranks of "civilized countries."

All of the wailing and gnashing of teeth about the shoot down of the Malaysian airliner ignores the fact that it was the unintentional result of an attempt to shoot down Ukrainian military aircraft which are perfectly legitimate targets. Given the fact that the Ukrainian military shot down an airliner about a decade ago during a training exercise when they had they full support of sophisticated air defense radar, the instant demonization of the Russian separatists who apparently had only the radar on the BUK missile launch for target identification is hypocritical.

When I see the word Eurotrash I automatically think of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurotrash_%28TV_series%29

https://www.google.co.uk/#q=eurotrash+tv+series&revid=663894430

Mike.

Michael Riddell wrote:When I see the word Eurotrash I automatically think of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurotrash_%28TV_series%29

https://www.google.co.uk/#q=eurotrash+tv+series&revid=663894430

Mike.

Dang! I have to find one of those episodes on the web and watch it.