Nameless, I clicked on that url;
it gave a mostly blank page,
except for "Congressional Record: Thomas" at the top.
Allow me to guess that "Thomas" is a congresscritter
whom you admire.
IfIRC, Turkey's announced reason for not allowing 3rdID.
to deploy from its territory, was that Turkey deemed the
attack on Saddam to be a Bad Idea, of dubious morality.
(Perhaps they also expected Shrub's administration
to screw it up, but I don't recall them saying so.)
Was that John Adams, or John Quincy?
I recall another quote from JQA, which accords with it:
"We must not wander the world,
searching for monsters to slay."
I note that both quotes can be used against intervention
in Ukraine, which I also oppose, and also could have
been used against our attack on Saddam.
Finally, No, my reason for supporting Obama, and all
Democrats, against all Republicans, is that I believe
that Republican policies, such as screwing up the
overthrow of Saddam, and screwing up the deposition of
the Taliban in Afghanistan,
are what really weaken the USA.
And yes, as a Pointy-Headed Liberal,
I really believe that.
HTM, PHL
PS I note that Russia now seems to be occupying Crimea,
in "support" of a six/tenth majority Russian population.
I say USA ought *not* to intervene with force.
Say "naughty naughty" and other nasty things,
and remember it for later & better chances.
Note: Crimea had never been part of Ukraine till 1956,
when Nikita Kruschev (sic), himself a Ukrainian,
gave it to them.
One source I read called it an "Autonomous Region" so
it has the same "right to choose its destiny" as South
Ossetia or Chechnia do. How's that for irony?
Note 2: Russia supports S O & opposes C.
HTM, PHL
namelessfly wrote:Withdrawing from NATO does not enable the USN to access the Black Sea. However; Turkey's refusal to admit US Hospital ships to the Black Sea in 2008 and far more relevant Turkey's refusal to enable the deployment of the Third Infantry Division for the Iraq invasion because it wants to curtail US power relative to Russia are confirmation that US allies are unworthy of US protection.
I would refer you to this:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?r104:H06JN5-42:
I would highlight the quote from President Adams:
"The US is the friend of liberty everywhere, but the guardian of none but it's own."
This was sage advice. It is time for the US to resume the foreign policy of the founding fathers.
If Vladimir Putin's Russia wants to intervene in Ukraine, the US should not refight the Crimean war that killed 1/2 million to stop it. The US should not intervene even if Putin reenacts Stalin's terror famines of the 1930s that killed tens of millions of people.
You are the ones who support President Obama because he will weaken the US. So be it. Enjoy the consequences.
namelessfly
Howard T. Map-addict wrote:Now please explain to us how "withdrawing from NATO"
would affect sending warships into the Black Sea.
HTM