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by Joat42 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:33 am | |
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Here in Sweden it's illegal to transport or store a weapon that's not temporarily rendered inoperable, ie firing pin removed etc and it has to be stored separately. The same goes for any ammunition.
It's not really a comparable situation to the US because of the 2nd amendment, but it cuts down accidental shootings to nearly nothing. Also (with reservations that I necessarily don't remember correctly), to own a weapon you need to be a member in good standing for at least 6 months in a competitive shooting club OR you have passed a hunters exam which may allow you to get a license for hunting rifles. On top of that, the police makes a background check to see if you have any past or current crimes on your record or any other type of history that may make you unfit to own a weapon (like mental illnesses, some types of physical illnesses or history of violence etc). If you buy a weapon directly from another person you need apply for a license for that weapon with the sellers original license attached to the application. This is to stop legal weapons from being resold to an unknown third party. You are also legally bound to inform the police if your weapon has been lost and if it's judged you where careless in handling and storing it you may lose all your weapons (a license specifies exactly which weapons you own). You also have to motivate WHY you want to own a specific weapon and how it's going to be used (in most cases this relates to people having different guns for different types of sporting events, but can also be applied to hunting weapons). This also means that weapons where the intended use falls outside competitive shooting or hunting will almost never be allowed to be sold. Some of these rules applies to soft-air guns, paint-ball guns, bow & arrows and other missile weapons depending on the weapons projectile energy but generally speaking, if the weapons energy is below a certain threshold you don't need a license if you are 18 years of age or older. --- Jack of all trades and destructive tinkerer. Anyone who have simple solutions for complex problems is a fool. |
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by TFLYTSNBN » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:08 pm | |
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Obviously, Sweden has no restrictions on hand grenades. |
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by Joat42 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:09 pm | |
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Obviously you are wrong. Possession of a hand grenade (or an unlicensed loaded weapon) carries a minimum sentence of 2 years in prison. --- Jack of all trades and destructive tinkerer. Anyone who have simple solutions for complex problems is a fool. |
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by TFLYTSNBN » Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:37 pm | |
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If so, why does Sweden have so many handgrenade attacks? |
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by Joat42 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:15 pm | |
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Because it's damn easy for criminals to get the item in question. And it's an excellent opportunistic weapon since it doesn't have the same recognition factor as gun plus the criminal subculture that has risen the last years where young "debutantes" want to get a rep fast uses them to accomplish that. After the perestroika and the breakup of USSR nobody really bothered to clean up all the old weapon dumps in the former USSR controlled states from which a majority of the illegal weapons come from. --- Jack of all trades and destructive tinkerer. Anyone who have simple solutions for complex problems is a fool. |
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by Imaginos1892 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:56 pm | |
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Yes, and those weapons are spread throughout the criminal underground worldwide, making the 'progressive' efforts to ban all legal guns not only futile, but more harmful to the innocent than the guilty. Like every other form of prohibition. ——————————— There is no shortage of people convinced they can create the perfect world. Trouble is, they always start out by fucking up this one. |
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by TFLYTSNBN » Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:25 pm | |
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Thank you for making my point for me. |
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by Joat42 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:37 pm | |
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And you still missed the important point I hinted at. Do want to guess what it was? --- Jack of all trades and destructive tinkerer. Anyone who have simple solutions for complex problems is a fool. |
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by TFLYTSNBN » Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:18 pm | |
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Why would I want to play stupid guessing games with you when you are either too stupid or to dishonst to acknowledge my point? Handgrenade attacks are far more common in Sweden than the US even though Sweden regulates civilian pissession of explisive devices just as the US does. Criminals are committing hand grenade crimes in Sweden because you have a subculture of criminals that use handgrenades to commit crimes. The US has a subculture that is only 1/8 of the population that commits over 1/2 of homicides and nearly 2/3 of all gun homicides. The US has another subculture that is only 1/8 of the population that commits about 1/3 of all homicides. Exclude killings committed by these two subcultures and the US homicide rate is lower than Sweden's. |
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by chuckpeterson » Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:39 pm | |
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To get to the bottom of what will work or not we first need to identify the last twenty 20 mass shootings.
(1) What weapon was used (2) How or where that person got the gun (3) Was there a police record on that person? (4) Did this person have a mental health problem Once this information is compiled, we can then work on preventive solutions to this problem. Anyone agree or disagree? |
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