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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by ywing14   » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:17 pm

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Fireflair wrote:@Annachie: The US Supreme Court has already ruled on that issue many years ago. It quite clearly and firmly came down on the side of gun owners in that the right to bear arms, as enshrined in the Constitution and specifically the 2nd Amendment, does not require a person to be part of a militia. That the 2nd Amendment is a Constitutional Right to bear arms, though that right may be regulated by the State.

The Court first conducted a textual analysis of the operative clause, "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The Court found that this language guarantees an individual right to possess and carry weapons. The Court examined historical evidence that it found consistent with its textual analysis. The Court then considered the Second Amendment’s prefatory clause, "a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," and determined that while this clause announces a purpose for recognizing an individual right to keep and bear arms, it does not limit the other clause.

@Daryl: I don't know that I'd let the gun violence in the US stop me from vacationing here, but my perspective living here is obviously different. I've lived all over the US, moving around as the Navy required me to, and seen many different parts of the country. I've never feared for my life walking down a street or through a tourist destination. Most especially I didn't worry I was going to be shot, you may be certain.

Equally I have travelled and visited in Thailand, South Korea, the Philippines, South Africa, Egypt, Israel and a host of other countries without fearing for my life. Despite all the troubles and difficulties of the military one thing I unabashedly enjoyed was the chance to travel around the world and see so many different cultures.

I don't deny that there are plenty of things in the US which are different. No doubt they don't appeal to other people but by and large they have worked in the past for the United States. I suspect much of what is 'wrong' with the US is a result of polarization of extremes, with people being less willing to compromise and work together but instead are dead set on their view being the only right one. Other major factors are likely the increasing wage gap, worsening education system and poor public health care.


I've been to a bunch of countries as well. The only place I've every felt truly unsafe was Nigeria.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by smr   » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:23 pm

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Let's say the 2nd amendment has a new ruling/precedent. Who are you going to send to my house to kill me because I will not surrender my weapons. I will shoot them or they will kill me. As far as I am concerned that is the start of a 2nd American Revolution. The military will be dealing with it's own people because many of them will fight for the Constitution. As a soldier, their are some orders that will not be obeyed. We are the defenders of the Constitution. We swore an oath to defend the Constitution against all foreign or domestic enemies.

Why are you attempting to foment revolution within America? Why are you attempting to turn peace loving American citizens into ENEMIES OF THE STATE.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Annachie   » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:28 pm

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Smr, for your own sake, read what you just wrote.

It is literally you who are formenting rebellion in that post.

You literally threatened to greet anybody enforcing certain laws with deadly force.

You are literally painting yourself to be the exact sort of crazy person with a gun that scares people.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by ywing14   » Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:00 am

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There'd definitely have to be a grandfather clause. I find it unlikely there would be enough support to pass any legislation (constitutional amendment) that would forcibly remove weapons from individuals. More likely it would just make it illegal to sell them anymore.

Additionally it would have to be the National Guard that removes the weapons not the military. The US Military isn't permitted to conduct law enforcement activities within the USA. Good Ole Posse Commitatus.

Though I agree there would likely be a Civil War/Insurrection if they were to try.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Annachie   » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:13 am

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ywing14 wrote:There'd definitely have to be a grandfather clause. I find it unlikely there would be enough support to pass any legislation (constitutional amendment) that would forcibly remove weapons from individuals. More likely it would just make it illegal to sell them anymore.

Additionally it would have to be the National Guard that removes the weapons not the military. The US Military isn't permitted to conduct law enforcement activities within the USA. Good Ole Posse Commitatus.

Though I agree there would likely be a Civil War/Insurrection if they were to try.


You might want to research if the military can conduct domestic law enforcement activities.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by ywing14   » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:30 am

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Annachie wrote:
ywing14 wrote:There'd definitely have to be a grandfather clause. I find it unlikely there would be enough support to pass any legislation (constitutional amendment) that would forcibly remove weapons from individuals. More likely it would just make it illegal to sell them anymore.

Additionally it would have to be the National Guard that removes the weapons not the military. The US Military isn't permitted to conduct law enforcement activities within the USA. Good Ole Posse Commitatus.

Though I agree there would likely be a Civil War/Insurrection if they were to try.


Are you talking about the Insurrection Act? Because simply retrieving weapons from people wouldn't apply unless there was an active conflict. Otherwise they can't be used in a law enforcement capacity.

You might want to research if the military can conduct domestic law enforcement activities.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Annachie   » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:01 am

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Posse Comitatus act wrote:Sec. 15. From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress; 


Basically, Congress can authorize it.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by The E   » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:36 am

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smr wrote:Why are you concerned with what I do...according to you I am a facist pig.


So your answer to the question of "why do you post in these threads" is "because you think I am a fascist"?

smr, is this you

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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Daryl   » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:42 am

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I loved that bit in Men in Black, where the alien hears the brag about prying from my cold dead hand, and says "The terms are acceptable".
Get a grip smr, who is trying to foment revolution in a foreign country, and why would they try?
We are just discussing a mind set that is exotic to virtually everyone except the about half of you Americans who have it.
For us the concept of having a right to own a fire arm for the specific reason that you may want to go to your capital and kill people to overturn a legally elected government, because you disagree with some of its laws is insane. Our terms are treason and armed revolt.
Just as an individual sample, I'm not anti gun, owning five at last count, but I'd never consider using them to enforce my views on my country. That would make me an enemy of the state.



smr wrote:Let's say the 2nd amendment has a new ruling/precedent. Who are you going to send to my house to kill me because I will not surrender my weapons. I will shoot them or they will kill me. As far as I am concerned that is the start of a 2nd American Revolution. The military will be dealing with it's own people because many of them will fight for the Constitution. As a soldier, their are some orders that will not be obeyed. We are the defenders of the Constitution. We swore an oath to defend the Constitution against all foreign or domestic enemies.

Why are you attempting to foment revolution within America? Why are you attempting to turn peace loving American citizens into ENEMIES OF THE STATE.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Daryl   » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:46 am

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I had this posted in one of our major papers, thought it was relevant.
"It is one of the enduring fictions that anyone who is labeled a lefty is soft and weak, while those on the right are tough and capable. Just plain rubbish.

The real snowflakes are those who are upset by every little thing. Examples include; PC, 18c, feminism, gays, affirmative action, SSM, refugees, no free shopping bags, Muslims, immigration, climate change, socialism, and most things post 1954. The rest of us accept that we are living at the best time yet, in the best place, and it's getting even better."
For non Australians 18c is a law about hate speech, several years on and no dramas.

The E wrote:
smr wrote:Why are you concerned with what I do...according to you I am a facist pig.


So your answer to the question of "why do you post in these threads" is "because you think I am a fascist"?

smr, is this you

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