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Iconic Bookstore Burned Down In Riots
Post by Imaginos1892   » Sun May 31, 2020 11:49 am

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May 29 2020: Independent book store Uncle Hugo’s, a prominent fixture of the science fiction, fantasy and mystery community for the last 45 years, was burned to the ground by looters and arsonists. Among the thousands of books reduced to ashes were many rare and irreplaceable volumes, including First Editions signed by authors no longer living. We have all lost a priceless resource, and what should have been an enduring legacy is now a pile of scorched bricks.

What the fuck is WRONG with those shitheads? What did burning down Uncle Hugo’s have to do with ANYTHING?!?

But that is what those dumbshits do — burn what they lack the capacity to understand or appreciate. I suppose it's because their union-run government schools never taught them to read. They certainly never learned to value reading. Bookstores and libraries mean nothing to them. Nor do restaurants, workshops, houses or lives.

The left-wing media calls them ‘civil rights protesters’. Everybody with a functioning brain calls them what they are: violent rioting mobs seeded with paid instigators shipped in from hundreds of miles away. Why did the violence ramp up after 3 days? That’s how long it took to get the instigators in place.

What are they ‘protesting’, you might ask? A criminal fought the police, and lost. That’s it. In fact, that has been the cause of…pretty much every riot I can remember. “A criminal was hurt or died after fighting with the police! Burn down the city!”

Police are SUPPOSED to arrest criminals. If they resist arrest, they MUST be subdued. That can get as violent as the criminal wants to make it. If the police DON’T arrest and subdue criminals, civilization falls apart.
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Re: Iconic Bookstore Burned Down In Riots
Post by Michael Everett   » Sun May 31, 2020 1:13 pm

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May I add that there seems to be a large degree of pre-planning with the riots.
On several occasions, large pallets of bricks have been placed in areas that are later overwhelmed by rioters and once they get there, the rioters promptly use the bricks on the pallets to do damage.
There is already one video with someone pointing out the pre-positioned bricks and pointing out that there was no valid reason for them to be there. there was no construction or DIY going on anywhere nearby, the bricks had been placed there by persons unknown as ammunition for the incoming rioters.

This ain't an Anti-cop or Anti-Trump thing.
It's anti-civilization.
The rioters seem to want a "Might makes right" society where the ability to do something confers the right to do it. They don't understand the perils and destructive nature of such a society...
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Re: Iconic Bookstore Burned Down In Riots
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Sun May 31, 2020 1:34 pm

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I would respectfully point out that there is zero evidence that George Floyde was a criminal. He had the misfortune of matching the vague description of someone who had tendered counterfeit currency at a retail store. I suspect that I have unknowingly done the same. In spite of my often citing the homicide statistics that document the astonishing number of murders committed by Blacks in America, I am perceptive enough to understand that those same statistics also document the fact that 99% of Blascks will never commit a murder. 90% of Blacks will never commit a serious violent crime. Unfortunately; the American gun control lobby has conditioned many American police to be paranoid about being outgunned by the criminals. The anti gun propaganda has been blatantly racist. Some police officers, especially those with minimal skills in unarmed combat not to mention armed combat, allow their unreasonable fear to motivate them to escalate to easily. Black people that might otherwise be innocent often respond inappropriately because of their own fear. Whatever the circumstances, the video of the officer kneeling on the kneck of as suspect that had already been subdued and handcuffed is eloquent.
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Re: Iconic Bookstore Burned Down In Riots
Post by The E   » Sun May 31, 2020 1:59 pm

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It's kinda sad how quickly the whole "this is a manufactured crisis" narratives have popped up.

There is no riot without some underlying cause. In this case, a long and sordid history of institutionalized racism against minorities by US police forces.
When Colin Kaepernick kneeled, he was quickly denounced by the Imaginoses of the world, because he was seen as disturbing a peace, as politicizing something that the Imaginoses thought did not need to be.

Well, guess what: This is what happens when you ignore those signs. When you instead spend your efforts on protecting police officers from the consequences of their actions instead of getting back into a policing by consent mode. It's what happens when white idiots with guns can demonstrate freely because they can't bear not getting haircuts, but black people can't demonstrate without the national guard being called in.

And, Michael: Do not pretend or imagine that the rioters are the only ones guilty of escalations.
Here we have a police officer spraying a chemical agent into someone's home for daring to shout
Here's some National Guard patrolling a peaceful neighbourhood and shooting paint rounds at people
Here's a whole bunch of incidents where supposed police officers are acting stupidly

So.

Stop pretending like this is unprovoked. Like this is coming out of the blue, or is somehow a manufactured crisis. Are there people fanning the flames? No doubt about that. One of them sits in the Oval Office. Others are currently wearing police uniforms, or those cute little armbands they hand out to undercover cops.
And, above all, stop the fucking crocodile tears about landmarks you like being damaged. If you didn't want a riot, you should have listened to the complaints and taken them seriously years ago. You didn't; and while you didn't throw any stones, those stones would never have been thrown if you had listened and changed your society for the better, instead of denouncing BLM and Antifa because you thought they were wrong.
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Re: Iconic Bookstore Burned Down In Riots
Post by Imaginos1892   » Sun May 31, 2020 7:31 pm

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No, this didn’t come out of nowhere; these leftist rent-a-riots have been escalating for years, with the SAME RIOTERS showing up in cities hundreds of miles apart. The really interesting thing is, ALL of the supposed ‘triggering events’ have taken place in left-wing cities. Saint Louis. Baltimore. Los Angeles. New York. And now, Minneapolis.

The Governor of Minnesota is a leftist Democrat. The Minnesota Attorney General is a leftist Democrat. The Mayor of Minneapolis is a leftist Democrat. Twelve Minneapolis City Council members are leftist Democrats, and the thirteenth one is a leftist Green.

If there is any remaining vestige of that ‘long and sordid history of institutionalized racism’ you constantly screech about, it is an exclusive and jealously guarded property of The Left.

Of course, that would be no surprise to anyone the least bit familiar with U.S. history. The Democrats have always been the racist party. It was founded on racism 170 years ago, and has perpetuated racism ever since. Thirty years ago, under the Republicans, racism was well on its way to quietly dying out. Ever since the Democrats regained power they have been straining to bring it back, as big and nasty as they can make it. RAAAACISSSM!! is trumpeted everywhere, pushed by the Democrats.

So far, the left-wing rioters you admire have murdered at least 3 people. The ‘white idiots with guns’ did not threaten, attack or kill anybody, did not burn down cities, or wreck people’s livelihoods. So much for your bleatings about the importance of life, you sanctimonious sack of shit.

The E wrote:policing by consent

You expect criminals to consent to being arrested for their crimes? What HAVE you been smoking?

The E wrote:instead of denouncing BLM and Antifa because you thought they were wrong.

Yes, I think they are wrong for committing assault, rape and murder, for looting and arson, for their ongoing attempts to break down our society through violence and fear. But of course — those have been the favored methods of the left for more than a hundred years. Why would they change now?

Uh, who the hell is Colin Kapernick?
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Re: Iconic Bookstore Burned Down In Riots
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Sun May 31, 2020 8:33 pm

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Imaginos1892 wrote:No, this didn’t come out of nowhere; these leftist rent-a-riots have been escalating for years, with the SAME RIOTERS showing up in cities hundreds of miles apart. The really interesting thing is, ALL of the supposed ‘triggering events’ have taken place in left-wing cities. Saint Louis. Baltimore. Los Angeles. New York. And now, Minneapolis.

The Governor of Minnesota is a leftist Democrat. The Minnesota Attorney General is a leftist Democrat. The Mayor of Minneapolis is a leftist Democrat. Twelve Minneapolis City Council members are leftist Democrats, and the thirteenth one is a leftist Green.

If there is any remaining vestige of that ‘long and sordid history of institutionalized racism’ you constantly screech about, it is an exclusive and jealously guarded property of The Left.

Of course, that would be no surprise to anyone the least bit familiar with U.S. history. The Democrats have always been the racist party. It was founded on racism 170 years ago, and has perpetuated racism ever since. Thirty years ago, under the Republicans, racism was well on its way to quietly dying out. Ever since the Democrats regained power they have been straining to bring it back, as big and nasty as they can make it. RAAAACISSSM!! is trumpeted everywhere, pushed by the Democrats.

So far, the left-wing rioters you admire have murdered at least 3 people. The ‘white idiots with guns’ did not threaten, attack or kill anybody, did not burn down cities, or wreck people’s livelihoods. So much for your bleatings about the importance of life, you sanctimonious sack of shit.

The E wrote:policing by consent

You expect criminals to consent to being arrested for their crimes? What HAVE you been smoking?

The E wrote:instead of denouncing BLM and Antifa because you thought they were wrong.

Yes, I think they are wrong for committing assault, rape and murder, for looting and arson, for their ongoing attempts to break down our society through violence and fear. But of course — those have been the favored methods of the left for more than a hundred years. Why would they change now?

Uh, who the hell is Colin Kapernick?
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Re: Iconic Bookstore Burned Down In Riots
Post by Dilandu   » Sun May 31, 2020 11:50 pm

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Imaginos1892 wrote:
Police are SUPPOSED to arrest criminals. If they resist arrest, they MUST be subdued. That can get as violent as the criminal wants to make it. If the police DON’T arrest and subdue criminals, civilization falls apart.


Unless, of course, all this happens in some country that US didn't like. Then the rioters are glorified as "brave protestors against tyrannic regime", and police is denounced as "brutal oppressors who need to be resisted".

America just hit what it was doing for others. Again. After you so gleefully supported all street thugs that rioted against regimes you do not like, you "suddenly" found out that it could hit the America, too. Didn't like it? Well, it's the kind of absolute freedom you promoted - freedom as some kind of supernaturally-given quality, not as a balance between the person's and society's interests. And where it lead you? Books burning.
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Re: Iconic Bookstore Burned Down In Riots
Post by n7axw   » Sun May 31, 2020 11:51 pm

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Imaginos1892 wrote:No, this didn’t come out of nowhere; these leftist rent-a-riots have been escalating for years, with the SAME RIOTERS showing up in cities hundreds of miles apart. The really interesting thing is, ALL of the supposed ‘triggering events’ have taken place in left-wing cities. Saint Louis. Baltimore. Los Angeles. New York. And now, Minneapolis.

The Governor of Minnesota is a leftist Democrat. The Minnesota Attorney General is a leftist Democrat. The Mayor of Minneapolis is a leftist Democrat. Twelve Minneapolis City Council members are leftist Democrats, and the thirteenth one is a leftist Green.

If there is any remaining vestige of that ‘long and sordid history of institutionalized racism’ you constantly screech about, it is an exclusive and jealously guarded property of The Left.

Of course, that would be no surprise to anyone the least bit familiar with U.S. history. The Democrats have always been the racist party. It was founded on racism 170 years ago, and has perpetuated racism ever since. Thirty years ago, under the Republicans, racism was well on its way to quietly dying out. Ever since the Democrats regained power they have been straining to bring it back, as big and nasty as they can make it. RAAAACISSSM!! is trumpeted everywhere, pushed by the Democrats.

So far, the left-wing rioters you admire have murdered at least 3 people. The ‘white idiots with guns’ did not threaten, attack or kill anybody, did not burn down cities, or wreck people’s livelihoods. So much for your bleatings about the importance of life, you sanctimonious sack of shit.

The E wrote:policing by consent

You expect criminals to consent to being arrested for their crimes? What HAVE you been smoking?

The E wrote:instead of denouncing BLM and Antifa because you thought they were wrong.

Yes, I think they are wrong for committing assault, rape and murder, for looting and arson, for their ongoing attempts to break down our society through violence and fear. But of course — those have been the favored methods of the left for more than a hundred years. Why would they change now?

Uh, who the hell is Colin Kapernick?
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The only ‘institutional racism’ in the U.S. is that imposed by leftists in government with quotas and preferences.


If you think that what you are looking at is a leftist phenomenon, then I have to wonder what you have been smoking. What you are seeing on TV is a cry for justice, not only for George Floyd, but for all African Americans murdered by the police over the years. Heaven knows how they could get that, but maybe we could start with justice for George Floyd, Ahmed Arbery and that young lady who was murdered in her apartment after a shift as a first responder fighting covid.

The list of young unarmed black men murdered by the police goes on and on. About the only difference between this and Jim Crow is instead of a lynch mob with a rope, we get cops, or sometimes cop wannabes with guns. This is not about left v right, but about fair play, about equal
protection under the law. African Americans aren't getting that. All of us should be offended by that.

Apparently at least some of the rioters Friday and Saturday nights in Minneapolis were outsiders, people who went to Minneapolis to do what they did, spread anarchy and violence. Some of them may have been leftists, but some of them were White Supremists who were busy stirring up anarchy and violence in hope of inciting a race war.

Not everything can fit into the context of your hatred of leftists and liberals. What I wish you would do is stop, take a deep breath and ask what the h**l is going on.

Don

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Re: Iconic Bookstore Burned Down In Riots
Post by n7axw   » Sun May 31, 2020 11:53 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:I would respectfully point out that there is zero evidence that George Floyde was a criminal. He had the misfortune of matching the vague description of someone who had tendered counterfeit currency at a retail store. I suspect that I have unknowingly done the same. In spite of my often citing the homicide statistics that document the astonishing number of murders committed by Blacks in America, I am perceptive enough to understand that those same statistics also document the fact that 99% of Blascks will never commit a murder. 90% of Blacks will never commit a serious violent crime. Unfortunately; the American gun control lobby has conditioned many American police to be paranoid about being outgunned by the criminals. The anti gun propaganda has been blatantly racist. Some police officers, especially those with minimal skills in unarmed combat not to mention armed combat, allow their unreasonable fear to motivate them to escalate to easily. Black people that might otherwise be innocent often respond inappropriately because of their own fear. Whatever the circumstances, the video of the officer kneeling on the kneck of as suspect that had already been subdued and handcuffed is eloquent.


Thank you. This was a very perceptive post.

Don

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Re: Iconic Bookstore Burned Down In Riots
Post by Eyal   » Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:19 am

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Something conservatives should keep in mind - remember how you keep maintaining that the 2nd Amendment is required because the people have a right to challenge the government with force? Well (absent the firearms for the most part) THIS IS WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

It's not plucky freedom fighters challenging the forces of government oppression in heroic battle on the field - it's a messy affair where not everyone agrees on who's right, people who are only tangentially connected to the event itself take personal advantage and has a lot of collateral damage.

Imaginos1892 wrote:What are they ‘protesting’, you might ask? A criminal fought the police, and lost. That’s it. In fact, that has been the cause of…pretty much every riot I can remember. “A criminal was hurt or died after fighting with the police! Burn down the city!”

Police are SUPPOSED to arrest criminals. If they resist arrest, they MUST be subdued. That can get as violent as the criminal wants to make it. If the police DON’T arrest and subdue criminals, civilization falls apart.


1) The crime Floyd was suspected of was passing a counterfeit $20.
2) There's no evidence he was resisting arrest initially, per the videos of the arrest.
3) He certainly wasn't resisting arrest for the 8 minutes he was lying cuffed on the ground with a police officer choking him.

It's indeed the job of the police to arrest people, but this was just short of an outright execution.
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