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TFLYTSNBN wrote:The data suggests that Coroonovirus is waning in China. Other countries are

Other countries are...?

...encouraging polka?
...declaring that there is indeed a "U" in Colour?
...finally agreeing that lamb is best served with mint sauce?
...learning how to play football properly (with a ball that is actually spherical)?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Michael Everett wrote:Other countries are...?

...encouraging polka?
...declaring that there is indeed a "U" in Colour?
...finally agreeing that lamb is best served with mint sauce?
...learning how to play football properly (with a ball that is actually spherical)?

Inquiring minds want to know.

agree with all of the above

TFLYTSNBN wrote:The data suggests that Coroonovirus is waning in China.

Data provided by ... the chinese government. Who, we are definitely really sure, would definitely not lie about this.
Especially not to itself.
I mean, surely, if factories are open and their machines are running, everything is fine, right? Right?

Michael Everett wrote:

TFLYTSNBN wrote:The data suggests that Coroonovirus is waning in China. Other countries are

Other countries are...?

...encouraging polka?
...declaring that there is indeed a "U" in Colour?
...finally agreeing that lamb is best served with mint sauce?
...learning how to play football properly (with a ball that is actually spherical)?

Inquiring minds want to know.

How did I truncate that post.

So far the growth rate in most countries remains linear rather than exponential.

The E wrote:

TFLYTSNBN wrote:The data suggests that Coroonovirus is waning in China.

Data provided by ... the chinese government. Who, we are definitely really sure, would definitely not lie about this.
Especially not to itself.
I mean, surely, if factories are open and their machines are running, everything is fine, right? Right?

And people ridiculed me for starting this thread.


If the outbreak is bad enough that the Chinese are willing to acknowledge it AND quarentin an industrialized region bigger than all but a few countries, it is a potential global problem.

We just had a case diagnosed about 50 kilometers from my home. This woman had not been overseas so it is community transmission. She works at an elementary school so lots of children might have been exposed.

If you exclude China, the daily growth factor is once again greater than 1 which indicates exponential growth.

Given the failures of genetic test and the need to diagnose with a chest X-ray, only the more serious cases are getting confirmed.

TFLYTSNBN wrote:

n7axw wrote:TFLY, you are the last person in the world who should be complaining about partisanship. If you are really wondering about that I suggest you go back and read your own posts. Then think about pots and kettles...

Obama put in place a proactive system in place during the Ebola crisis for dealing with pandemics. In 2018, Trump dismantled it... Why? Who knows? Maybe because it was Obama's idea???

Don

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Wrong!

As usual.

Just FYI, China has historically been cooperative with the WHO as well as the CDC.



Interesting that everyone on this site was accusing me of panicking.

The data suggests that Coroonovirus is waning in China. Other countries are

It all depends on who is living in the alternate reality as to who is wrong I suppose. At any rate I'm not going to bother arguing about it...

As for China, they can be pretty closed mouthed. How much cooperating their attitude translates into is hard to know.

Don

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:

n7axw wrote:TFLY, you are the last person in the world who should be complaining about partisanship. If you are really wondering about that I suggest you go back and read your own posts. Then think about pots and kettles...

Obama put in place a proactive system in place during the Ebola crisis for dealing with pandemics. In 2018, Trump dismantled it... Why? Who knows? Maybe because it was Obama's idea???

Don

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Wrong!

As usual.

Just FYI, China has historically been cooperative with the WHO as well as the CDC.



Interesting that everyone on this site was accusing me of panicking.

The data suggests that Coroonovirus is waning in China. Other countries are

Well crap!

My pesky spell checker substituted "cooperative" for "uncooperative" and I didn't notice it.

If the Chinese are using chest X-rays that reveal severe lung infection rather than tests of blood samples then they are under counting the number of cases by about a factor of four.

Meanwhile; the blood test developed by the CDC has a very high false negative rate.

And we have this:

https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/03/b ... ar-itself/

One thing that coronavirus epidemic clearly demonstrated: socialism is better in dealing with large-scale disasters.

China took the hardest hit - and they handled the crisis, implemented unprecedent scale quaranteen measures, boosted the medical efforts, and contained the virus. Currently, while China is still holding the largest number of infected, the numbers are going down fast, with lethality less than 6%. They already started to dismantle some of emergency hospital facilities, that they constructed in mere days.

The contrast - Italy, Iran (when things went totally out if control), and USA. Yes, USA. Since the very start of the epidemic, in the whole USA were tested... 459 samples. 459. The testing kits are availble, but could not be issued because of bureaucratic gridlock between CDC and FDA over some defective negative sample sets. There are new cases in USA, there is dire need to start processing samples, but it is impossible because bureaucrats locked horns over procedure.

For compairson, in China 1.600.000 samples are tested weekly. And even Russia (in which the only confirmed case came just recently) already tested 33.000 samples - 65 times more then USA.

Sorry, TFY, but the relaity make short work out of Ringo childish fairy tales. Shooting the old fool is the last one - but still a solution.

Dilandu wrote:One thing that coronavirus epidemic clearly demonstrated: socialism is better in dealing with large-scale disasters.

...yes and no. It's not socialism that is more able to focus on single-issue problems, it is authoritarianism. China may be a socialist country, but it is a highly authoritarian one (a small group lead, all the rest follow, dissent is not tolerated) meaning that as long as the leaders are competent, the projects initiated by them are generally fairly successful.
It is worth noting that China has been fighting an internal war against corruption ever since the days of Mao and while they seem to be holding their own, it is a never-ending struggle, especially since authoritarian societies do not have a free press to hold them to account, meaning that they rely on internal monitoring only.
No wonder China is one of the State Surveillance capitals.

Michael Everett wrote:...yes and no. It's not socialism that is more able to focus on single-issue problems, it is authoritarianism. China may be a socialist country, but it is a highly authoritarian one (a small group lead, all the rest follow, dissent is not tolerated) meaning that as long as the leaders are competent, the projects initiated by them are generally fairly successful.

Well, authoritarian capitalism generally tend to be fascism, which is notoriously bad in organising anything right. So, this hardly disprove my thesis (at least, not completely).