Trump pardoning war criminals...

TFLYTSNBN wrote:

The E wrote:Yes, I do too, but that is no longer the reality we're in. I grew up in an environment where there were only a small number of authoritative sources of news that everyone either read, watched or listened to and that formed a basic picture of reality that everyone was at least aware of. That part of the world is seemingly gone irrevocably; now you have people like TFLY and smr only take in news that they know will never upset them or their worldview (Our resident FLY quoting often from a site proudly calling itself "The conservative Treehouse" while, at the same time, sneeringly contemptuous of the idea of a "safe space").

I am open to the idea that there can be civil discussion on these matters. But, at least in US politics, it is always expected that it is the liberals who will make the first step, to approach the other side with an open hand and a willingness to compromise, and that's not a dance that can be danced that often. Personally, I say enough is enough. When conservatives call the other side "demoncrats" without a hint of irony, when they call people's rights to their own identity into question, when they openly ignore civil rights issues and descend into open defiance of the constitution they pretend to hold up as the highest truth, it is past time for them to step back and ackknowledge that we're all in this boat together and that you can only lean to one side so far before you fall overboard.

What you refuse to recognize is that your few "authoritative" news sources have become so profoundly biased that anyone capable of thinking for themselves has to reject them.

Joe Walsh wrote:.
@realDonaldTrump
came into Iowa Thursday for one of his lie-filled rallies. Prior to the event, I campaigned for votes among all the people in line waiting to go in to hear the President. It was one of the most frustrating experiences I’ve ever had. It made me sad. 1/

Yes, plenty of Trump supporters were angry at me and many got in my face. But that’s not what made me sad. Here’s what made me sad: I asked about 40 folks a very simple question: Has Donald Trump ever lied to the American people? Simple question, right? 2/

Every single person said “No.” No, Trump has never lied. Every single person gave me that answer. But that wasn’t all. A few people told me that Trump, unlike Obama, has never golfed. Nobody in line knew that Trump was increasing the debt way faster than Obama. 3/

Nobody knew that under Trump our deficit was now greater than $1 trillion.
Nobody I asked could think of one single thing that Trump has done that has disappointed them. Nobody thought Trump did anything wrong with Ukraine. 4/

Almost everyone thought that China was paying for Trump’s tariffs. Nobody cared that Russia screwed with our 2016 election. On and on it went. I left sad & frustrated because all of these folks in line were being fed a sea of lies by Trump, Fox News, and 5/

the rest of Trump’s media sycophants. They weren’t being told the truth. And here in line in Des Moines waiting to go in & hear more lies from this President, they didn’t believe basic truths. This is a scary thing for our Republic. Trump’s legacy is the destruction of truth. 6/

Daryl wrote:Fly, I have never called you a NAZI , nor can I recollect anyone else on here doing so.
I would like to challenge your term "Global warming theology" though, as our own conservatives have been using similar terminology.
I have always been of the opinion that "belief, theology, religion and similar terms" are what people just know, without any proof, facts or reliable information. All the religions fall into this category. I admit that I wish I could just believe, and know that I'd meet my mum again, while expecting an eternity of bliss. Alas, my mind doesn't work that way.
Whereas, being science trained and cynical by nature I am skeptical, and insist on proof before committing to any position.
Other scientists are similar. Why do we talk about the Theories of Relativity and Evolution, when Hiroshima proved Relativity, and so many industries depend on Evolution to make money.
Thus I get annoyed when deniers talk about the Climate Change Cult or Religion. There is a mountain of data and research supporting the position that industrialised mankind has influenced climate, and only a vague belief somehow supporting the few on the other side.

TFLYTSNBN wrote:This is evident in your comments on this forum where you arrogantly justify your hatred by branding conservatives as Nazis.