Impeachment now certain

PeterZ wrote:Whatever we believe, gcomeau, congress will vote out Articles of Impeachment. It will go to trial in the Senate. There at least we'll see an honest inquiry/prosecution.

At that time the public can decide what to do about all of this in the next election. I am getting tired of discussing anything here in politics. I guess I need another long vacation from this forum.

TFLYTSNBN wrote:No Shifty Shitty Schiff is implicated in the Ukrainian pay off scandal.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/1 ... tion-case/

Joat42 wrote:

TFLYTSNBN wrote:No Shifty Shitty Schiff is implicated in the Ukrainian pay off scandal.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/1 ... tion-case/

How about you list all the other people owning mutual shares in the same companies and the reasons why they aren't implicated also.

TFLYTSNBN wrote:None of the other stockholders are abusing their authority as members of the House of Representatives to impeach President Trump so as to interfere with an investigation.

Dynamics on the right tend to reinforce partisan statements, irrespective of their truth, and to punish actors—be they media outlets or politicians and pundits—who insist on speaking truths that are inconsistent with partisan frames and narratives dominant within the ecosystem.

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It is not that Republicans are more gullible, or less rational, than Democrats. It is not that technology has destroyed the possibility of shared discourse for all. It is the structure of the media ecosystem within which Republican voters, whether conservatives or right-wing radicals, on the one hand, and Republican politicians, on the other hand, find themselves that made them particularly susceptible to misperception and manipulation, while the media ecosystem that Democrats and their supporters occupied exhibited structural features that were more robust to propaganda efforts and offered more avenues for self-correction and self-healing.

Joat42 wrote:

TFLYTSNBN wrote:None of the other stockholders are abusing their authority as members of the House of Representatives to impeach President Trump so as to interfere with an investigation.

You think Schiff is doing this because he has stock in companies that have connections to businesses in Ukraine? Stock worth less than $50k?

It's kind of sad that Schiff follows the law and discloses his financial interests, and some right-wing ankle-biter manages to draw some fantastic conclusions from that while totally turning a blind eye towards Trump's refusal to disclose his financial information (and blatant abuse of power).

I have to ask, do you actually question the validity of the things you read on these ankle-biter sites or if it even makes sense? It doesn't seem so anyway and I think you should read the book Network Propaganda – Manipulation, Disinformation, and Radicalization in American Politics which I have linked to earlier. Here is a quote (again) that's relevant for you:

Dynamics on the right tend to reinforce partisan statements, irrespective of their truth, and to punish actors—be they media outlets or politicians and pundits—who insist on speaking truths that are inconsistent with partisan frames and narratives dominant within the ecosystem.

. . .

It is not that Republicans are more gullible, or less rational, than Democrats. It is not that technology has destroyed the possibility of shared discourse for all. It is the structure of the media ecosystem within which Republican voters, whether conservatives or right-wing radicals, on the one hand, and Republican politicians, on the other hand, find themselves that made them particularly susceptible to misperception and manipulation, while the media ecosystem that Democrats and their supporters occupied exhibited structural features that were more robust to propaganda efforts and offered more avenues for self-correction and self-healing.

smr wrote:Of all those witnesses, only 1 witness actually spoke to Trump. Which means only 1 person would be allowed to testify in a Senate Trial because he actually spoke to the President. Hear say is not allowed in a court of law. Ambassador Songland spoke to the President. When Ambassador Songland asked what President Trump wanted. He responded that he wanted nothing from Ukraine. he wanted no quid pro quo and that he he wanted him to do his job. Typical of Democrats, we hate Trump so lets make up a story and impeach him because we all know that orange man is bad.

smr wrote:Of all those witnesses, only 1 witness actually spoke to Trump. Which means only 1 person would be allowed to testify in a Senate Trial because he actually spoke to the President.