Trump, Kim & the DMZ

gcomeau wrote:
Ummm... the bulk of NATO?

Please! Where was "the bulk of NATO" when US invaded Iraq in 2003?

And why US needed them against Iran? If any kind of actions would be launched, they would clearly be of limited scale. No one would try to launch something like invasion in Iran; it just make no sense.

So, strikes against airfields, command centers & nuclear facilities. US did not need Europeans for that.

gcomeau wrote:(I know Russia wants US relations with NATO undermined, another thing Trump is delivering on for Putin in spades)

The US-NATO relations are undermined by just plain common sense. While screaming "Russians are coming!" may be enjoyable activity for a while, it is pretty obvious that Russia have neither capabilities nor desire for any kind of large-scale conflict in Europe. And NATO is still an anti-Russia alliance, after all.

gcomeau wrote:

Dilandu wrote:
Who else matters?

Ummm... the bulk of NATO?

(I know Russia wants US relations with NATO undermined, another thing Trump is delivering on for Putin in spades)

You really, really need to read:

https://www.amazon.com/Accidental-Super ... 1455583685

To understand how bizarre NATO is.

No more free ride for free loaders.

gcomeau wrote:
He's not rolling over for Kim because of some nuanced calculation about the balance of global power.

I repeat: do you have ANY better idea what Trump could do to at least make Kim eager to discuss SOMETHING?

You are claiming that Trump is doing it wrong. Fine. It is perfectly possible that you are right. But if he "wrong", there must be "right", isn't it? So, what would be "right" for Trump to do? Make some passionate speech about how bad Kim is? Yeah, it would really hurt Kim feeling. Impose some more sanctions against North Korea? They are already under basically all kind pf restrictions several generations of US presidents was able to invent. Start the war? Wouldn't it be even more reckless action?

Dilandu wrote:

gcomeau wrote:
Ummm... the bulk of NATO?

Please! Where was "the bulk of NATO" when US invaded Iraq in 2003?

And why US needed them against Iran? If any kind of actions would be launched, they would clearly be of limited scale. No one would try to launch something like invasion in Iran; it just make no sense.

So, strikes against airfields, command centers & nuclear facilities. US did not need Europeans for that.

gcomeau wrote:(I know Russia wants US relations with NATO undermined, another thing Trump is delivering on for Putin in spades)

The US-NATO relations are undermined by just plain common sense. While screaming "Russians are coming!" may be enjoyable activity for a while, it is pretty obvious that Russia have neither capabilities nor desire for any kind of large-scale conflict in Europe. And NATO is still an anti-Russia alliance, after all.

The Russians are Coming, the Russians are Coming!

https://youtu.be/IEWWRbn4zG0

Almost as funny as SPACED INVADERS.

https://youtu.be/UTFEyP9n50k

My favorite scene is when gcomeau crosses the road then gets scraped off of the pickup grill and bumper with a snow shovel.