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Re: Outsider view on US gun problems
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:47 am

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I am going to shock everyone by conceding that I do not favor unbridled capitalism. In the absence of some government regulation, the inevitable outcome of totally free market capitalism would be a single capitalist owning everything and workers having nothing.

On the other hand, excessive regulation and taxation under socialist democracy makes it extremely difficult for working class people to accumulate capital to start businesses and compete with established businesses.

The bottom line is that everyone should be able to keep the fruits of their labors, including the capitalists who own the "means of production." However; governmrnt should not enable the established capitslists from preventing workers from acquiring their own means of production.

It is A Question of Balance.
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Re: Outsider view on US gun problems
Post by noblehunter   » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:58 am

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Me: I want money without having to work for it.

Also me: Fuck Capitalism.
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Re: Outsider view on US gun problems
Post by gcomeau   » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:18 am

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:I am going to shock everyone by conceding that I do not favor unbridled capitalism. In the absence of some government regulation, the inevitable outcome of totally free market capitalism would be a single capitalist owning everything and workers having nothing.

On the other hand, excessive regulation and taxation under socialist democracy makes it extremely difficult for working class people to accumulate capital to start businesses and compete with established businesses.


Except... no.

https://www.epi.org/publication/usa-lag ... -mobility/

Those Social Democracies have the highest economic mobility. Far outpacing the US. It isn't even a contest. You are severely under appreciating how much freedom to take risks on new ventures having a solid safety net under you affords people in the workforce.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... ir-country

But US citizens are by far the most delusional about how much opportunity for economic mobility they have, they have been sold a bill of goods for decades on that subject. They think there is far more opportunity for upward economic movement in the US than there actually is. Whereas in other countries people actually tend to underestimate how good their systems are at giving people those opportunities.
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Re: Outsider view on US gun problems
Post by Imaginos1892   » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:49 am

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The E wrote:
Imaginos1892 wrote:Do the 'progressives' really believe that your waiter should have 'income equality' with your doctor?

Wouldn't be an Imaginos post without some strawmanning going on in it.

Well, now, I tire of hearing the ‘progressives’ bleat constantly about the manifest self-evident evil of ‘income inequality’. They must be clamoring for ‘income equality’ then?

My response was to employ what is obviously reductio ad absurdum. Why couldn’t you figure that out? Was STRAWMAN the only word simple enough for you to memorize?
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Re: Outsider view on US gun problems
Post by The E   » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:23 am

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Imaginos1892 wrote:Well, now, I tire of hearing the ‘progressives’ bleat constantly about the manifest self-evident evil of ‘income inequality’. They must be clamoring for ‘income equality’ then?

My response was to employ what is obviously reductio ad absurdum. Why couldn’t you figure that out? Was STRAWMAN the only word simple enough for you to memorize?


Did it really take you 10 days to come up with that?
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Re: Outsider view on US gun problems
Post by Imaginos1892   » Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:18 am

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The E wrote:Did it really take you 10 days to come up with that?

No, it took a couple of minutes. I don't spend all my time posting on this forum.
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Re: Outsider view on US gun problems
Post by The E   » Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:53 pm

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Imaginos1892 wrote:
The E wrote:Did it really take you 10 days to come up with that?

No, it took a couple of minutes. I don't spend all my time posting on this forum.


Given that you responded to the post when it was made without attaching this bit, it did take you ten days to come up with it though.

Also, it's funny: you claim to be employing reductio ad absurdum. But if that's true, given that it is largely indistinguishable from your usual rhetoric when it comes to criticizing "the liberals", then I have to conclude that you are in fact engaging in strawmanning. After all, if you concede that the positions you argue against are not representative of the mainstream opinion but rather reflect a criticism of extreme opinions held by unrepresentative minorities, you're fulfilling all the key aspects of strawman tactics, aren't you?
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