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by Michael Riddell
» Sat Jun 27, 2015 4:26 pm
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An interesting little tidbit from this part of the world.
The Scottish Parliament has voted unanimously to require airguns to be licenced in the same way as regular firearms. This is in the wake of a toddler being shot in the head and killed in Glasgow a few years back. Naturally, his parents campaigned for air weapons to be restricted after the incident. How are airguns handled in the US?  Mike. ---------------------
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by PeterZ
» Sat Jun 27, 2015 4:36 pm
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They're toys if less than .22 caliber. I had a .177 caliber pump action air gun at 12 years old.
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by Michael Riddell
» Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:14 pm
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Interesting, the UK laws are based on the power of the weapon, not it's calibre:
So the change in Scotland would require all airguns to be registered, regardless of size or power. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-33266720 http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/mother-backs-new-airgun-licence-law-passed-by-msps-1-3812421 Mike. ---------------------
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by pokermind
» Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:51 pm
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Hmm Mike does this mean that a school kid shooting a spit-wad through a straw is subject for arrest of owning an unlicensed air gun? How about squirt guns shooting water?
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by Michael Everett
» Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:35 am
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Many people in government forget one little fact.
Criminals are criminals because they do not obey the law! Ban guns and criminals will double their attempts to get one so that they can use them to intimidate people who don't have a gun. Declare knives over a certain length to be illegal and criminals will go for the biggest knives they can find in order to show that they are apex predators who do not care about what the sheeple do. The only real way to stop bad things happening is through punishment. Not "Oh no, you killed someone, have six months in a really cushy prison" punishment that the bleeding hearted so adore, but true "You knowingly murdered someone, have a life sentence in spartan conditions and it will be well-publicized so that everyone else knows what will, not may but will happen if they do the same thing." Punishment serves multiple purposes including that... 1) It informs the person being punished that what they did was not acceptable. 2) It informs everyone else that repeating the actions that led to the first person being punished would not be a good idea. 3) It reinforces the legal/moral codes that underpin society. If the punishment is too harsh, it has the opposite effect. If you are going to hang for stealing a loaf of bread in order to survive, then you may as well murder a dozen rich people and throw their money on the street because, hey! You're already going to die, so what the heck is left to stop you? If the punishment is too lenient, it has no real effect. Get smacked on the hand once for killing someone who got in your way, well, it's obviously fine to take out the entire queue as you'll get a similar non-punishment. Society is a dynamic high-point balance. Most people think that civilization is the natural order of things and as such, crimes won't really affect it that much, but when a tipping point is reached, civilization can collapse with startling speed. Examples include Zimbabwe and the so-called Islamic State (where it has been confirmed that a large number of the ISIS troops are granted sexual access to girls as young as eight or even younger at special camps). Scotland's air-gun laws are probably an over-reaction. Criminals will get weapons in order to carry out their crimes, what is needed is the willpower to punish them while encouraging people to live according to the laws. ~~~~~~
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by Michael Riddell
» Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:28 am
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 I would think that if it's classified as a toy, it'll be safe enough. It'll be interesting to see the details of the legislation once it appears.
Ah, but in the Western Central Belt of Scotland, if you use a gun, you're not a real man! A real man uses a knife.... That's the stereotype at least! Besides, any knife can be used as an offensive weapon and you can't exactly ban knives completely. Mike. ---------------------
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by gcomeau
» Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:33 pm
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No, actually nobody forgets that little fact. This argument is just one of the silliest lines of reasoning used by the gun lobby that will not die. Laws are not passed with the expectation that nobody will ever break them. If they were the police wouldn't need to exist.
As evidenced by all the developed countries with much stricter gun control where the odds of a criminal having a gun are *sooo* much higher and thus so many more people are the victims of gun crime. Wait, in reality the opposite is true. US cops are the ones constantly in fear of any given person they have an incident with being armed and getting itchy trigger fingers and killing civilians by the hundreds while in those other countries that pretty much never happens because guns are hard to get there so the police spend a lot less time panicked that any random person they pull over for speeding or something is going to shoot them. |
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by Tenshinai
» Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:26 pm
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I somehow doubt that those can achieve 6 or 12 footpound required to be counted as firearms. |
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by Tenshinai
» Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:33 pm
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Yeah, before the removal of border checks towards the south here (due to EU), Sweden did not have a real problem with firearms in the hands of criminals. Now, there definitely is a problem down in Malmö and Göteborg and surrounding areas at least. Very few legal weapons get into the hands of criminals here, while for a private citizen, getting a firearm is certainly not impossible. To the point where in the 70s and 80s, some daring criminals tried to steal weapons from military sources, successfully in a couple of cases, simply because it´s impossible to secure everything perfectly. |
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by Tenshinai
» Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:52 pm
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Bwahahahahahah... You broke away from a colonial government while it was busy fighting a war back home. And you got massive assistance from the French, Spanish and Prussians. Not to mention the american natives. While the British mostly sent what troops it could spare from elsewhere and only spared North America a tiny portion of the overall attention. And the British fought ACROSS THE ATLANTIC FFS! It´s still considered a fairly reasonable "fact", that the revolution would have failed if the British had reacted seriously to it from the start. And without European support, it would have been stillborn, near zero chance of success. And trying to call the US military "armed individuals" is just sad. Even "militia" is probably not enough. |
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