Trump Implementing the Palin. doctrin

BrightSoul wrote:I seem to recall that this country has attempted the isolationist line SMR is such a fan of. What did it come to? Oh, yeah, Pearl Harbor, that's what.

Its been done before and failed before what gives you the idea that it'll work any better this time?

I will agree that the US does seem to carry the bulk of the burden of NATO's commitments but that's another story than your isolationist crap. That's a fool's bargain and will cost us far more than you can imagine.

Pearl Harbor was a logical consequence of the US retaining the Philipines as a colonial possession and deploying forces to protect that possession and fight a nasty insurgency. This reality was exasperated by FDR deciding to embargo oil to Japan in retaliation for Japan invading Manchuria.

smr wrote:More troops to bring home and that's music to my ears. I want to bring the troops home from Afghan and Iraq. After that is complete, America can reevaluate our role in NATO. I want all American assets out of Germany.

Not only are they not coming home, the Pentagon just announced ADDITIONAL troop deployments to Syria to protect the oil fields the Kurds can't protect because Trump fed them to the Turks and the Russians.

So can we finally stop this utter bullshit "Trump is trying to end wars and bring troops home" idiocy? Trump stabbed American allies in the back because he was asked to by dictators and autocrats he admires, the freaking end. He couldn't possibly care less about "bringing troops home" or "ending wars".

America needs to reassess our priorities in the real world. One, we need to be out of Syria. Next, America needs to leave Afghanistan. Finally, we need to withdraw from Iraq. No more nation building let the Europeans deal with the Muslim hordes. They can settle Europe for all I care. With allies like the Germans and most of the Europeans, America does not need enemies. Why should we spend our wealth and the blood of our sons and daughters in useless foreign wars or police actions?

Bring our troops Home. Let the rest of the world go to hell! If the the rest of world wants freedom let them earn that right in blood and treasure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs6iMjv2MXg

smr wrote:America needs to reassess our priorities in the real world. One, we need to be out of Syria. Next, America needs to leave Afghanistan. Finally, we need to withdraw from Iraq. No more nation building let the Europeans deal with the Muslim hordes. They can settle Europe for all I care. With allies like the Germans and most of the Europeans, America does not need enemies. Why should we spend our wealth and the blood of our sons and daughters in useless foreign wars or police actions?

Bring our troops Home. Let the rest of the world go to hell! If the the rest of world wants freedom let them earn that right in blood and treasure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs6iMjv2MXg

Allies like Germany??

Haha - if Trump had his way you will be having allies like Russia, Turkey and Saudi. Good luck with that.

How will you keep out cyber criminals - let me guess - get some big scissors out and cut the fiber optics cables to ROW.

And now the USA is sending mechanized forces into Syria to defend the oil fields in Deir Ezzor from ISIS.

Well, it seems abandoning the Kurds have more consequences. Who would have thought.

Abandoning the PKK linked PYD is an acceptable choice. We aligned when our interests converged and separated when those interests diverged. Same thing happened in Afganistan. The PYD is a Marxist group aligned with PKK terrorists. These folks are not candidates for long term alliances, so committing to go to war should those folks suffer an attack is foolish.

Keeping those oil fields and the revenue they represent from potential enemies is wise.

Bottom line is I agree with Dilandu. Let Assad consolidate power and stabilize the region and allow the Russians to spend their blood and treasure, if they want.

Breathtaking in its pragmatic action that totally avoids any ethical commitment, or in simple terms doing the right thing, just because it is the right thing. Abandoning the moral high ground may have unintended consequences later on.

PeterZ wrote:Abandoning the PKK linked PYD is an acceptable choice. We aligned when our interests converged and separated when those interests diverged. Same thing happened in Afganistan. The PYD is a Marxist group aligned with PKK terrorists. These folks are not candidates for long term alliances, so committing to go to war should those folks suffer an attack is foolish.

Keeping those oil fields and the revenue they represent from potential enemies is wise.

Bottom line is I agree with Dilandu. Let Assad consolidate power and stabilize the region and allow the Russians to spend their blood and treasure, if they want.

isaac_newton wrote:

smr wrote:America needs to reassess our priorities in the real world. One, we need to be out of Syria. Next, America needs to leave Afghanistan. Finally, we need to withdraw from Iraq. No more nation building let the Europeans deal with the Muslim hordes. They can settle Europe for all I care. With allies like the Germans and most of the Europeans, America does not need enemies. Why should we spend our wealth and the blood of our sons and daughters in useless foreign wars or police actions?

Bring our troops Home. Let the rest of the world go to hell! If the the rest of world wants freedom let them earn that right in blood and treasure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs6iMjv2MXg

Allies like Germany??

Haha - if Trump had his way you will be having allies like Russia, Turkey and Saudi. Good luck with that.

How will you keep out cyber criminals - let me guess - get some big scissors out and cut the fiber optics cables to ROW.

Actually, the biggest part of the problem was the US having allies like Saidi Arabia and Turkey. Turkey enabled Iraq to sell oil in defiance of sanctions. The 9-11 hijackers were Saudis and Kuwaitis. That is the thanks the US gets for ejecting Iraq from Kuwait and saving Saudi Arabia from invasion. The Turks pledged to allow the US to deploy troops via Turkey then reneged on that pledge, forcing the US to invade without enough troops to secure Iraq.

The Syrian Kurd shitstorm is exposing Turkey for the Islamic shithole that it has reverted to. This will enable Trump to eject Turkey from NATO.

The US is using other means to establish a safe zone for those people. Aligning with a group that do not have compatible long term interests is stupid. Such an alliance means that we go to war with whoever attacks these people. Whoever attacks people with a world view that is antithetical to long term US interests. That. IS. Stupid!

Dilandu's point about saving lives has merit.

Daryl wrote:Breathtaking in its pragmatic action that totally avoids any ethical commitment, or in simple terms doing the right thing, just because it is the right thing. Abandoning the moral high ground may have unintended consequences later on.

PeterZ wrote:Abandoning the PKK linked PYD is an acceptable choice. We aligned when our interests converged and separated when those interests diverged. Same thing happened in Afganistan. The PYD is a Marxist group aligned with PKK terrorists. These folks are not candidates for long term alliances, so committing to go to war should those folks suffer an attack is foolish.

Keeping those oil fields and the revenue they represent from potential enemies is wise.

Bottom line is I agree with Dilandu. Let Assad consolidate power and stabilize the region and allow the Russians to spend their blood and treasure, if they want.

PeterZ wrote:The US is using other means to establish a safe zone for those people.

Otherwise known as ethnic cleansing.

Another thing you appear to think is "fine". The US signing off on and participating in an ethnic cleansing campaign against steadfast loyal allies.

Aligning with a group that do not have compatible long term interests is stupid.

The Kurds were the closest thing to a group that aligned with US long term interests that existed in that entire region.

Were. They never will be again after this betrayal.