The end of American democracy?

Daryl wrote:I first came on here over a decade ago, finding the then opinions of the hard rights on here to be intriguing. How people could consider armed insurrection or sedition to be an appropriate response to a government that you disagreed with, was a new experience for me. Now those people have in the main left here, presumably finding new internet gathering sites where non rights don't introduce pesky facts and logic.
I did venture onto a couple of such sites, and gave up disgusted at the nasty loony tunes statements on them.

Have you visited Baen's Bar lately? Some people frequenting the place are more or less promoting violence against anyone not on the right. The pure vitriol spewed forth is astounding and I cannot fathom why Baen doesn't do anything about it since it reflects poorly on them.

I believe the correct response is "Holy shitshow Batman"

I'm glad the amount of physical injury and loss of life was minimal, but I've heard stories of the people who broke into the congress reading senator's and congressperson's emails and having access to what should be private and secure documents that were stored in the Capitol building.

If there were any foreign spies disguised as part of the Trump mob (or acting as Agent Provocateurs) they would have been able to freely access a treasure trove of top secret and confidential documents.

If the US government wants to give Julian Assange the death penalty for espionage, then every single one of those people who entered the building by force should also be charged with treason as well and be subject to the full force of the law.

They've turned the light on a hill into a burning dumpster.

I'm also disappointed but not surprised at the [important people who probably have security clearances] that do not password protect their computers.

Funny that. They were one of the sites I was talking about. Vile and dangerous crap.
Just for a bite, if fly reads this, what do you think about Sarah Palin's claim that these rioters were actually Antifa in disguise out to discredit Trump?

Joat42 wrote:

Daryl wrote:I first came on here over a decade ago, finding the then opinions of the hard rights on here to be intriguing. How people could consider armed insurrection or sedition to be an appropriate response to a government that you disagreed with, was a new experience for me. Now those people have in the main left here, presumably finding new internet gathering sites where non rights don't introduce pesky facts and logic.
I did venture onto a couple of such sites, and gave up disgusted at the nasty loony tunes statements on them.

Have you visited Baen's Bar lately? Some people frequenting the place are more or less promoting violence against anyone not on the right. The pure vitriol spewed forth is astounding and I cannot fathom why Baen doesn't do anything about it since it reflects poorly on them.

No. I haven't been on Baens... not that I've been deliberately avoiding them. I don't do right wing web sites... bad for my blood pressure.

I am up watching certification process. I have been worried about today for weeks. So I am going to stay up for the rest of the state roll call... and see Joe Biden formally acknowledged as president-elect. All that will be left will be inaugration...

Don

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n7axw wrote:No. I haven't been on Baens... not that I've been deliberately avoiding them. I don't do right wing web sites... bad for my blood pressure.

I am up watching certification process. I have been worried about today for weeks. So I am going to stay up for the rest of the state roll call... and see Joe Biden formally acknowledged as president-elect. All that will be left will be inaugration...

Don

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I'm at the office, can't stream the live feed since most people here work remotely and they have clamped down on streaming to conserve bandwidth.

It seems there are only 7 republicans pandering to the Trump-mob in the hopes of gaining votes for the next election-cycle, so at this point they only delay the inevitable while looking like assholes to a sane person.

The reactions outside of the USA speaks volumes, the images from Capitol Hill and the mob forcing their way in have most people comparing the USA to some failed banana republic.

What's worse, the USA has lost ALL credibility at this point, and China is happily rubbing it in everywhere it can. It will take decades for the USA mitigate the damage it has done to it's international reputation. It's something Biden won't be able to fix during his presidential period for the simple reason no-one will trust the USA until it is shown that people like Trump won't be elected again in the future.

Joat42 wrote:

n7axw wrote:No. I haven't been on Baens... not that I've been deliberately avoiding them. I don't do right wing web sites... bad for my blood pressure.

I am up watching certification process. I have been worried about today for weeks. So I am going to stay up for the rest of the state roll call... and see Joe Biden formally acknowledged as president-elect. All that will be left will be inaugration...

Don

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I'm at the office, can't stream the live feed since most people here work remotely and they have clamped down on streaming to conserve bandwidth.

It seems there are only 7 republicans pandering to the Trump-mob in the hopes of gaining votes for the next election-cycle, so at this point they only delay the inevitable while looking like assholes to a sane person.

The reactions outside of the USA speaks volumes, the images from Capitol Hill and the mob forcing their way in have most people comparing the USA to some failed banana republic.

What's worse, the USA has lost ALL credibility at this point, and China is happily rubbing it in everywhere it can. It will take decades for the USA mitigate the damage it has done to it's international reputation. It's something Biden won't be able to fix during his presidential period for the simple reason no-one will trust the USA until it is shown that people like Trump won't be elected again in the future.

Actually the 7 you are referring to are senators. When the House voted, it was 133 in support of Trump.

Yes, I agree with the rest of your post. After Jan. 20, the grown ups will be back in charge and the process of reconciliation and repair can begin. It appears that the Republican Party might split, a process that could keep them from the levers of power for a long time.

Personally, while I agree with you about the international side, I am far more concerned with us not getting another Trump than you are. We definitely don't need another dictator on the make...

The deed is done. Joe Biden is now the president elect officially until his inauguration at witch time his term begins. It is 3 am and the party is over. I am going to bed.

Don

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Personally, I love one of the photographic bits of proof for Antifa being the people who broke into the Capitol building.

A picture of Jake Angeli. Aka the QAnon Shamen.

Hello,

the AntiFa?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... washington
The one in the middle is Jon Schaffer of the the metal band 'Iced Earth'. He is a known right wing and racist.


About security - here is a comparison to the peaceful protests:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... sts-photos

“…that dacha on the shores of the Black Sea, waiting for the B.O.M., might be looking pretty good, come January 21st!”
Who knows, maybe he could trade golf swings with Ed Snowden!