Guns, Guns Guns

You know HB, I would have thought that someone local would have stood up by now and said that that was just wrong and taken steps to try and fix it.
Then again at night it's just about as bad here. We might luck out and have a highway patrol in the area but the local cops a good hour away.

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I can not say one way or another what might or might not be happening out here in SW OR USA. The feedback we receive locally is that folks would rather take care of the big problems themselves and NOT rely on a large property tax increase for more law enforcement.

We do not trust our local politicians. Recently a "hand picked" citizens committee recommended a 5% cost of living raise for the elected officials in our poor one lung County in SW Oregon USA. Well fook me blind! Thanks very much BUT NO THANK YOU!

We also have over a dozen, (12) good people campaigning to replace the existing County Commissioners. If this occurs, maybe we can turn a pigs ear into a silk purse. There are avenues of County Government that might work that don't need large sums of new taxes.

Also the attempt may be made to deal with all the illegal United States Federal Government mandates, laws, rules, regulations and etc. that are choking our local economy. Half the land in Oregon belongs to the Federal Government. Very wrong.

Our local situation is not that helpless. We do have a very good private ALS EMS and a volunteer fire department. Thin but excellent. We also have Oregon fire and if needed Fed fire protection. Our annual worry is a big wild land forest fire.

The legal pot growing situation is not helping. Lots of dope money coming into our mountain valley town. This results in an influx of non august folks. Lists are being made? I can not comment on that. We adapt. We overcome. Guns. Guns. Guns.

You keep claiming that the US Federal Government is doing illegal things but every time I've asked you to be specific you've declined to respond. Please explain what the US Federal Government has done that is illegal (I mean illegal, not what what its done that is wrong).

HB of CJ wrote:Also the attempt may be made to deal with all the illegal United States Federal Government mandates, laws, rules, regulations and etc. that are choking our local economy. Half the land in Oregon belongs to the Federal Government. Very wrong.

Bureau of Land Management. BLM. Forest Service. FS. Look at an Oregon State map showing illegal Federal invasion of our sovereign State territory. Start out by reading the US Constitution, particularly the Tenth Amendment. That will get you started.

Illegal restrictions on State grazing lands seized by the Feds.

If you want more then search OR land use restrictions. Then forest road closures. Then the environmental protection agency. EPA. The spotted owl. Wet land definitions and illegal private land use restrictions and prohibitions. Then 1872 mining law violations.

Also learn up on the Oregon and California Railroad Counties in Oregon.

This is just Federal illegal stuff. I have not touched on illegal activity by our own State of Oregon. LCDC. DEQ.

I could do this all day. Get my point? If you do not understand our illegal situations, then perhaps you might, (might) be part of the problem and most certainly not part of any logical or Constitutional solution. Legal solutions only. Respectfully. HB

I live in Oregon, I grew up in Oregon. I've used BLM and Forest Service land for recreation (everything from camping to backpacking to biking to target shooting) all my life. I've gone hunting and fishing on that land. I am very well aware of how much of Oregon and Northern California (my family is from there and I've spent a lot of time there) is BLM or National Parks.

I've done a little looking and from what I can find, the reason that BLM and Forest Service (along with every other piece of Federally controlled land from National Parks to military bases) don't violate the Tenth Amendment is due to the Property Clause (Article 4, Section 3, Clause 2; see http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/4/essays/126/property-clause and https://www.hcn.org/articles/legal-experts-oregon-militants-land-transfer-advocates-misguided-on-constitution). As I understand it, basically the Federal Government never agreed to give the States some of the land within the otherwise agreed upon borders when the State became a State; therefore the Federal government's ownership of the land predates the existence of the State. Because the Federal government owns the land, the Property Clause provides the authority to determine the use of the land.

As far as the Oregon and California Railroad issues go, there's no arguing that many counties in Oregon got the fuzzy end of the lollipop. But, as I stated before (and you chose not to respond to), I can't find any evidence of any agreement obligating the Federal government to pay the counties anything. Should they? I think so. That or give the counties the land back. But I haven't been able to find any legal obligation.

As far as the Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ) goes, read up about the air quality of Mexico City or Beijing (during the Beijing Olympics, there were quite a few stories about air quality concerns). I've heard my aunt and uncle (who've lived in Ashland and Meford since 1986) talk about how much better the air is since vehicle air quality testing became required in the Rogue Valley. I remember how bad the air would get in Ashland when my family would visit them, especially in the summer on calm days. While there are definitely issues with the DEQ, I argue that the air quality improvement alone justifies their existence (that's not to say there aren't things to fixed, only that it's worth dealing with the things that need to be fixed).

I have no comment on the EPA and spotted owls since if you don't see the value of protecting biodiversity on your own, there's nothing I can say that will even get us into a conversation.

Most of your issues seem to be based on your seeing yourself and the people in the region you live in as a victim of the big bad government. But you also seem to be strongly in favor of self reliance and not being reliant on the Federal government for things. If that's the case, why don't you and your neighbors stop throwing a tantrum about how you weren't treated fair and figure out how to provide the needed public services such as law enforcement. From what I've read, not having law enforcement isn't working (I've read several articles, this one seems the best written and well thought out http://freebeacon.com/culture/the-lawless-south/).

The more I think about it, the more I believe that a lot of the disagreements we deal with today are a result of using rules defined when the fastest method of communication was someone on a horse when communication has effectively become instantaneous and travel is many times faster. Messages and people traveled roughly 30 miles a day (if there wasn't a way to change horses) vs the approximately 560 miles you can travel by car (70 mph for 8 hours) let alone the 570 miles per hour a 747 can travel. Rules of governance that made sense when it took weeks or months to get messages to people (and that's just one way) don't make as much sense today because of how communication and travel technology have changed. The electoral college system is an excellent example of this issue; a candidate can approximately 25% of the popular vote with out getting any electoral votes and a candidate can win while getting only 21.91% of the popular vote (CGPGrey on YouTube explains this much better than I can, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k).

HB of CJ wrote:Bureau of Land Management. BLM. Forest Service. FS. Look at an Oregon State map showing illegal Federal invasion of our sovereign State territory. Start out by reading the US Constitution, particularly the Tenth Amendment. That will get you started.

Illegal restrictions on State grazing lands seized by the Feds.

If you want more then search OR land use restrictions. Then forest road closures. Then the environmental protection agency. EPA. The spotted owl. Wet land definitions and illegal private land use restrictions and prohibitions. Then 1872 mining law violations.

Also learn up on the Oregon and California Railroad Counties in Oregon.

This is just Federal illegal stuff. I have not touched on illegal activity by our own State of Oregon. LCDC. DEQ.

I could do this all day. Get my point? If you do not understand our illegal situations, then perhaps you might, (might) be part of the problem and most certainly not part of any logical or Constitutional solution. Legal solutions only. Respectfully. HB

I hope my family and/or relatives never have to make this decision about defending the homestead and their own lives.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/justinholcomb/2016/04/29/alabama-1year-old-shoot-robber-he-cried-like-a-little-baby-n2155393

Sometimes their are only tough decisions to make in emergency or life threatening situations.

Since Donnachaidh lives next door and is daily experienced to our situation I will defer to his or her superior knowledge on this subject. I was advised that Donnachaidh's slant may be influenced by excessive tree hugging and fish kissing.

The article about Josephine is a liberal trashy white wash. I know the family who lost the son and brother. The mother is a personal friend. I believe I can say there is about 90% more to that story. The stabbed august citizen was an ... august citizen.

Regarding all the things wrong with Josephine county, I might suggest that one come on down and have a grand time living here for 28 years. Then you can make judgments, concerns, observations and comments based upon a little bit more information.

It is lovely here. Your dog barking up the wrong tree is significant. It probably means the tree squirrel in your sights for diner has jumped to another tree. We do have ticks, but few mosquitoes. It does get hot in the Summer. Sweating is good for you.

Endless conifer forest. Lots of hiking trails. Of course most do not stop or end at a metro bus stop. It is possible to not see another human being for days if one wants too. The ones you do see probably are not urbanites. Mostly good folks.

But ... remember to pack your piece. Some prefer just one handgun. Never bring a handgun to a rifle fight. Some carry some sort of rifle. Bears, big cats, maybe even a Big Foot? Yikes! One never knows. Guns, guns, guns. Life is good down here.

HB of CJ wrote:Tenshinai: Respectfully. Your posts are deteriorating into meaningless personal attacks.

I am reciprocating your level. And you really should quit your "respectfully", when it´s nonexistant.

And please, cut the amateur psychology skit, it´s such a pathetically obvious ploy and i really detest the dishonesty inherent.

HB of CJ wrote:Yes, we are pretty bad off out here in SW OR USA. No disagreement there. I am not delusional. We do have zero law enforcement. We do have natural law. We must take care of our own and others. Gun smoke.

We have no other solution. I do not like this. But again, no choice.

No other solution? And there you just prove that you are delusional. There are hundreds of potential solutions, but apparently "you" don´t want them.

You rejected the one option you were given, but did you put up a better option?
Did you try to make the given option better to the degree that you could vote in its support instead?

No, you whine about evil big government and kneejerk reject.

HB of CJ wrote:No new taxes. Our local County Commissioners here in Josephine County Oregon USA many times have sent a tax levy to the voters. Each time we have by vast majorities voted no to any new tax. No.

Yeah, because that works so well obviously. Did you ever actually bother to look into it in detail? Why they felt they had to impose more taxation?

HB of CJ wrote:Perhaps unique or obscene to socialist nanny state eyes.

And again with your usual namecalling. Is there something troubling you that makes you lash out in such sad, ignorant ways?

HB of CJ wrote: We stand on our own legs.

Another delusion. The problem is that you don´t understand why.

Not to mention that you don´t have a clue what either a socialist or a nanny state is.

Tenshinai: That was better. More ... more ... more social. Why don't you fly out here and we will show you around? But that might be more respective and physical than just using a keyboard.

We can go hiking. A little bit. Do some coffee drinking at our local horrible, (but ours) diner. A little bit. Watch stuff. Talk about solutions to many concerns. All fun. Lots of smiles. All doable.

Maybe do some gun shooting. I need another hand gun course. Might be too early to go salmon fishing. Great to live down here in South West Oregon USA. Like my profile says, about 43N, 123W.

Where do you live? Your handle says Sweden? Or are you actually in Portland Oregon USA? I dunno. You seem to know more about our situation than we do. I find that interesting. Respectfully.

28 years huh.
So you'll be considered a local soon

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