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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by HB of CJ   » Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:14 am

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Tenshinai: If you do not understand, just say you do not understand. It is not polite to tell somebody he is whining or being dumb for creating a bad situation. It is not good to make this personal.

You tend to do this. Not the first time. Not professional. You can do better. We are certainly not whining. I am not. This is our reality. While I do not like it, I acknowledge it as real.

Here in SW OR USA at about 43N, 123W, guns are our situation. We need them. This is the subject at hand and at discussion. Perhaps a unique situation. Would you like to keep this on subject?

Out here caliber does matter. So does size. Wimpy carry firearms do not cut it. It is best to carry the most powerful handgun you can properly shoot. Lots and lots of training time. Expensive.

I carry a high cap .45 acp automatic with multiple reload mags. Usually about 40 rounds on my person. Enough? Dunno. Killing a human being is a horrible thing. Best avoided if possible.

Personal firearm concealed carry with a permit is legal here. I have that permit. I also have conducted training for others. All of my friends carry also. They also do not want to, but must.

Politely said, perhaps you are the last person who is qualified to even enter into the discussion at hand; why we need firearms for self protection. Bedtime for me. I spend too much time here.

Respectfully.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Daryl   » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:07 am

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Almost like reading a SF story about a world where always carrying a high calibre hand gun and 40 rounds of spare ammunition as you go about your routine daily business is seen to be normal behaviour.
At least on Spihnx they have peak bears and hexapumas to make always carrying guns a sensible act.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by pokermind   » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:23 am

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The Clinton plan for "Effective" Gun control, pack the supreme court as stated by her daughter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCJJxJ1LlEM

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"Better to be hung for a hexapuma than a housecat," Com. Pang Yau-pau, ART.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by dscott8   » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:32 am

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A huge number of today's American adults grew up absorbing the "cowboy" mythos of Tom Mix, John Wayne and the Lone Ranger. When you spend your formative years idolizing people who solves their problems with six-shooters, you wind up seeing this as the preferred solution. I believe this is the difference between responsible gun owners and "gun nuts".
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by pokermind   » Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:16 am

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dscott8 wrote:A huge number of today's American adults grew up absorbing the "cowboy" mythos of Tom Mix, John Wayne and the Lone Ranger. When you spend your formative years idolizing people who solves their problems with six-shooters, you wind up seeing this as the preferred solution. I believe this is the difference between responsible gun owners and "gun nuts".


And a huge number of today's youth grew up in an entitlement culture without personal responsibility, many without siblings. I remember watching "Bonanza" with my aunt (b.1885) who grew up in north Texas and Indian Territory (Oklahoma). The bad mouthed gunslinger terrorizing the town caused her to utter this comment, "Anybody talked that way in Indian Territory they'd of dry gulched the SOB." The term dry gulch meant waiting in a dry gulch until your target came riding by and shooting him in the back.

A lot of the controversy is because some people live in crowded cities, and some live in rural areas, one views a gun as sports equipment, the other a tool for survival. Thus the problem neither can see the other's point of view.

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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by HB of CJ   » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:55 pm

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It might even go further than that. Is it possible that some individuals have been poisoned by their fuzzy warm false environment that they have blinded themselves within their personal reality?

How long would some or many individuals who live in a Socialist Nation in public housing totally dependent upon reliable heat, water and food survive if tossed out into some winter snowbank?

The answer is probably not very long. Perhaps only minutes. We actually educate our grand kids on how to not only survive but succeed in such conditions. Their training also includes firearms.

Some fuzzy socialist folks have not even seen a real firearm. The evil gun. Probably never even touched one. Have no desire to. May even be deathly afraid of guns. My sister is such a person.

Sad but true. Very close to my heart. A very long sad story of life. She lives in San Francisco CA, USA. She does not understand her other family's life style up here in SW OR USA.

Does not want to. My grandkids feel quite at home employing firearms, including light automatic rifles. For us guns are just another tool. Very hard for some to understand this notion.

We are trying to live self sufficiently. So far we are at about 50% there. Still dependent upon society and modern infrastructure. We are working a solution. Difficult. This is NOT 1870.

That combined with our law enforcement situation has resulted in some unusual solutions. Open and concealed carry of handguns is one. Experience and composure with rifles and shotguns is another.

We seem to be doing OK with this. So far so good. Our exact situation may be ongoing with no end in sight. We are not special. We just have to function in a strange environment. Respectfully.

All Oregon State, US Code Laws And NFA Rules Apply. This is the usual legal declaration that NFA stuff (machine guns and suppressors) is legal to possess and bear up here in SW OR USA. You firearm laws may differ.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Daryl   » Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:24 am

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Many genuine thanks HB for your description of your world. It is as different and alien to many here as a remote planet would be.
I can relate to your opinion of how many people would cope if everything stopped. I have a vision of aliens visiting centuries later and wondering why there were so many skeletons around KFC and McDonalds. Probably think they were shrines to our gods (in some ways that might be true).

Growing up on the land I am fairly adept with survival and independent sustainability. There was a newspaper blog here on the subject of what would you take in your backpack in that event. The Gen Ys all thought an iPad or iPhone would be the number one item. None thought about weapons. As one of the older people said he'd be cleaning his shotgun using the fading light of the no signal page on their iPad.

As you might expect I don't equate socialism with this, we must have different definitions, as socialist views have no correlation with firearm views here. I have socialist friends with guns and hard right friends who hate guns, and vice versa.
I do agree about the reliable heating point. I often travel to the UK and they seem to all have changed their heating and cooking to piped gas. If Putin turns off the tap in a hard winter millions may perish.

In my case we are totally self contained in water, sewerage, heating, and could be in electricity. Our security is well provided by our police but in an end of world situation I have guns locked away. I expect and certainly hope that I will never again need guns for personal defence.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Tenshinai   » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:22 pm

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HB of CJ wrote:Respectfully.


You really should change that to "Delusionally".

Because every time you rant like that, you just show off your lack of connection with reality.

Just because you´re not alone in your delusions does not make them any more real.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by smr   » Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:35 pm

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@Tenshania

Did you try to understand anything that is happening in his reality? Their major industry was logging and they can no longer substain themselves due to excessive government regulation. Their tax base has disappeared with that the ability to pay for most local government services. Being armed is requirement and a fact of life for basic survival in his area. Evil exists in this world. The locals have banded together to help each other survive.

By attacking him personally, you have admitted that your arguments are failing. He is right that you can do better than belittling other people that you disagree with. We all are a product of our own life experiences and teachings. Try to walk a mile in another man's shoes.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by HB of CJ   » Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:30 pm

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Tenshinai: Respectfully. Your posts are deteriorating into meaningless personal attacks. It has reached such an obvious dip that I am beginning to wonder about you. Are you OK? Is something bugging you?

Something seems to be bothering you. Is it something we said on this Excellent Forum? Is something else going on with you and you respond by attacking other individuals situations or conditions?

Yes, we are pretty bad off out here in SW OR USA. No disagreement there. I am not delusional. We do have zero law enforcement. We do have natural law. We must take care of our own and others. Gun smoke.

We have no other solution. I do not like this. But again, no choice. Also while we complain about government promises failing us, we also have chosen not to held hostage by those same folks by submitting.

No new taxes. Our local County Commissioners here in Josephine County Oregon USA many times have sent a tax levy to the voters. Each time we have by vast majorities voted no to any new tax. No.

Franky speaking, and only me here, but I feel and suspect our local problem is a micro-ism of State and Federal politics. Our disgust with politics may also be reflected on a national scale.

Anyhow, no local law enforcement. Even if available, it is over 60 to 90 minutes away. If we receive it. Our good white hat sheriff has recognized this. Sometimes he turns a blind eye? Possibly true.

Sosss ... thus our need for Guns, Guns, Guns. Perhaps unique or obscene to socialist nanny state eyes. We stand on our own legs. We do not like it, but that is what we have. Respectfully.
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