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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Annachie   » Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:09 am

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pokermind wrote:Basically the main problem is culture shock, both ways. When guests demand you conform to their ways they are longer guests but invaders IMHO.

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Oh god yes.

I think I've mentioned before the problems that Melbourne (Oz) had with refuge Sudanese youths.

But, the elders, with assistance from the police et al, got seriously involved and made things a lot better.

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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by smr   » Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:03 pm

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@Daryl
What would you do if they sexually assaulted your daughters or your granddaughters? Would you be this accommodating to someone who defiled a female family member? Remember, it is OK to torture and kill non-believers! Your infidel! Covert or die!

Daryl wrote:If I was seeking to escape a war zone where every side was trying to kill my family and I, then I would lie and cheat to get out. Don't blame the victims.



Michael Everett wrote:Just as an aside, recent dental checks of a significant minority of immigrants claiming ages in the 14-17yr range actually show quite a large fraction of them to be 18-25.
Surely if they were indeed proper political refugees rather than economic/benefit refugees, they would not stoop to such deceptions...
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by gcomeau   » Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:08 pm

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smr wrote:@Daryl
What would you do if they sexually assaulted your daughters or your granddaughters? Would you be this accommodating to someone who defiled a female family member? Remember, it is OK to torture and kill non-believers! Your infidel! Covert or die!


And clearly this is a general description of all those refugees, so keep them all out of here!!!!



Do get a grip please.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Annachie   » Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:09 pm

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On the subject of rape, Roosh Valizadeh is aparently doing a speaking tour down here.

Him we are trying to not let in.

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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Michael Everett   » Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:55 pm

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Annachie wrote:On the subject of rape, Roosh Valizadeh is aparently doing a speaking tour down here.

Him we are trying to not let in.

My first reaction was "Who the blazes is this Rish Vilzod fellow"?
Then I hit Wikipedia and found his page.
While a few of his starting points are understandable (Men and women are physically and mentally different), it would seem that the conclusions he draws from those basics have unfortunate parallels to the conclusions promulgated by the less economically and socially stable countries.
Minor warning signpost there, methinks.

Compared to some of the guests that English Universities insist on inviting*, Roosh seems to be little more than a sqeaking annoyance focused on his (probably theoretical) sexual exploits.
While I won't say he's harmless, I doubt he's one of the ones brainwashing young men into becoming suicide bombers and young women into abandoning their lives to become concubines.
Heck, we brits never actually banned Trump, and some of what he said was very insulting.

*Several universities have embraced both left-wing orthodoxies (the Rhodes Statue being one end-result of that) while simultaneously worshiping the concept of Extreme Pseudo-Islam despite its patriarchal setup and desire to subjugate the world and turn all women into concubines and/or sex-slaves.
The only things both stances have in common is hatred of America and the fact that both stances seem to adhere perfectly to the points on this list.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by biochem   » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:19 pm

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Michael Everett wrote:Heck, we brits never actually banned Trump, and some of what he said was very insulting.


Yeah. That could get truly embarassing if he somehow (please no!) manages to pull it off and win the US presidency. Could you imagine the diplomatic uproar?
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Daryl   » Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:52 am

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SMR
The very great majority of Muslim people are decent law abiding people, just as we are.
Yes in a large number of refugees there will be some ISIS plants, some with warped reality from the horrors that they are escaping, and there will be some culture clashes.
Very few Muslim people believe that is OK to torture and kill non-believers. Probably a similar very small percentage to those Christians who interpret the bible literally. I haven't seen many western women stoned for infidelity or sons put to death for drunkenness.

The female members of my family are sensible and capable people. They don't need my protection or approval. Anyone attacking them is likely to get his 72 virgins instead.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by smr   » Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:28 pm

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If the US can not verify who these people are, then they should not be allowed to immigrate. The US has the right to refuse their immigration request.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by gcomeau   » Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:06 pm

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smr wrote:If the US can not verify who these people are, then they should not be allowed to immigrate. The US has the right to refuse their immigration request.


Gosh, that's probably why standard refugee processing procedure since ALWAYS has been they pass background checks first.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Imaginos1892   » Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:27 pm

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gcomeau wrote:
smr wrote:If the US can not verify who these people are, then they should not be allowed to immigrate. The US has the right to refuse their immigration request.


Gosh, that's probably why standard refugee processing procedure since ALWAYS has been they pass background checks first.


And just how do you do background checks on hordes of "refugees" from a place where the social order has broken down? Where at least two of the extant "governments" are terrorist organizations? How do you know that even the "legitimate government" won't pull a Castro and dump their prisons on you?

No country has any obligation to take in hordes of "refugees" of which an unknowable number are insurgents, mass murderers and rapists.
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